[tor-relays] not specified families

Steve Snyder swsnyder at snydernet.net
Mon Jan 9 22:20:51 UTC 2012


> Shouldn't this be treated more seriously?

How?  The Tor admins have to *request* this behavior of relay operators because there's no way to enforce such a rule.


On Monday, January 9, 2012 5:13pm, "Aurel W." <aurel.w at gmail.com> said:

> Shouldn't this be treated more seriously? There are literally over 100
> high bandwidth relays, which should specify a family but which don't.
> If you monitor a client, it is very frequently that circuits are built
> where two relays are clearly controlled by the same person.
> 
> As a first try I mailed to two contact email addresses, but I haven't
> got any response.
> 
> aurel
> 
> On 6 January 2012 15:07, Aurel W. <aurel.w at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So how would a NodeFamily declaration differ from the 3-node MyFamily
>>> example above?
>> NodeFamily can be specified by a client, if the relays don't specify
>> their MyFamily by themselfs.
>>
>> aurel
>>
>> On 6 January 2012 04:27, Steve Snyder <swsnyder at snydernet.net> wrote:
>>> No, there no reason to set MyFamily when you only admin a single node.
>>>
>>> That said, I just followed the link you referenced, and it leaves my
>>> scratching head a little.  The description of NodeFamily is:
>>>
>>> "The Tor servers, defined by their identity fingerprints or nicknames,
>>> constitute a "family" of similar or co-administered servers, so never use
>>> any two of them in the same circuit. Defining a NodeFamily is only needed
>>> when a server doesn’t list the family itself (with MyFamily). This option
>>> can be used multiple times."
>>>
>>> What?  Suppose I operate 3 nodes.  I could specify
>>>
>>> MyFamily
>>> $00000000000000000000000000000000,$111111111111111111111111111111,$22222222222222222222222222222222
>>>
>>> The doc says:
>>>
>>>  NodeFamily node,node,…
>>>
>>>  MyFamily node,node,…
>>>
>>> So how would a NodeFamily declaration differ from the 3-node MyFamily
>>> example above?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/05/2012 09:29 PM, Greg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (I'm quite new here, but...)
>>>> If you only run 1 node, is there any reason to set the Family? My
>>>> reading of https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-manual.html.en
>>>> (MyFamily, NodeFamily) suggests that it's not relevant for the 1-node
>>>> case.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>> 2012/1/5 Tor Relays at brwyatt.net<tor at brwyatt.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably just misconfigured. If there are emails attached to the nodes
>>>>> you
>>>>> could try mailing them directly about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> brwyatt
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 01:29:42 +0100, "Aurel W."<aurel.w at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> when I browse through the list of relays I find many router names,
>>>>>> which correlate in some way, but which don't specify a family in their
>>>>>> descriptors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to name a few:
>>>>>> * 2* c5VycfOP
>>>>>> * 3* c516a
>>>>>> * Caldron, Caldron2, Caldron3
>>>>>> * BlgTOR2, BlgTOR
>>>>>> * DwarfHappy, DwarfSleepy, DwarfSneezy, DwarfDopey
>>>>>> * DONATIONxTORx0 - DONATIONxTORx7
>>>>>> and so on,...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is there a reason, why there is such a high number of relays, which
>>>>>> fail to specify a family, since this seams rather striking?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> aurel
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