[tor-relays] Exit policy question

Sven Olaf Kamphuis sven at cb3rob.net
Fri Jun 3 16:05:25 UTC 2011

btw, when we say "secure" we don't refer to "encryption" but rather to 
keeping undesired elements from communicating with us :P

"secure" in terms of what you mean is accomplished by physical port/wire 
security, or encrypting the entire layer-2 stuff thoroughly, with 
something -custom- (not american-run ssl junk ;)


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On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, Eugen Leitl wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 12:27:08PM +0000, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
>> plus, who still cares about smtp anyway, its pretty much dead, 300 spam
> If you think SMTP is dead, you're way out of touch with reality.
>> mails per day and just 1 or 2 real emails a week, anything important is
> If you receive 300 spams/day, and your volume is not 50000 emails/day,
> there's something wrong with your spam filter.
>> handled over skype and other transports which have "friends lists"
> Skype? That thing that's blocked on corporate networks, and the
> kind of company that autoinstalls malware despite explicit user's
> wishes? The kind of company just purchased by Microsoft, which
> forebodes plenty of great things in the future?
>> nowadays. if they don't fix their protocol to have friends lists, they
>> have no right to complain.. we're gonna completely shut down smtp soon
> Who is this 'we' kemosabe?
>> enough, its old, dusty, not peer 2 peer (hardly any open relays
> It *WORKS*. And is an integral part of corporate communications.
>> left),insecure (no pre-approved senders/friends list) slow (graylisting),
> Insecure? Never heard about StartTLS or PGP/S/MIME?
>> unreliable (spamhaus idiots), and pretty much, dead (number of real
>> emails per week vs the number of junk per hour ;).
>> even more dead than that other piece of crap from the past, ftp and
> Ftp is dead, too? Nobody told me.
> In fact, ftp and mail server is the first thing that people yell about
> when it goes down.
> What are you going to tell us next? That nobody uses telephones,
> and there are no fax machines? Really? You sure?
>> gopher :P
>> anyway, an access lists which allows http and https but -not- to
>> hotmail/gmail/rest of that crap would not be too hard to make.
> P.S. As someone who bitches about email, notice you're using
> email, and you top-posted and failed to trim the message.
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