Costs of Portable IP Space [was: New Node]

Tue Aug 31 13:10:31 UTC 2010

I think we -could- potentially try to kick in an application for let's 
say a /20 PI space with ripe, and register this to some foundation (let's 
say the EFF) which can then use this for TOR nodes.

thing is, PI space is not supposed to be sub-delegated to 'customers' so 
the whole thing will then have to go on the EFF (or whatever)

you can however simply split it up in BGP over multiple physical 
locations (who the fuck cares about 
route-objects anyway, and i guess we can even get those to work with some 
trickery ;)

but usually it's easier to simply "fix the law", the (your) law clearly 
has a bug here, which should not be 'worked around' but rather 'fixed'.

the result of PI space is that whomever's organisiation is in whois will 
then receive the "abuse" mail (not that either whois or smtp-email have 
any legal status at all in terms of "evidence" so who cares ;)

and then that whomever can take the cocksuckers to court (or the other way 
around) rather than isps pulling the plug before it going to court.

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:

> anyway, RIPE will hand out PI space to parties all over the world provided 
> that they have a LIR in the RIPE-region and register it for hardware in the 
> RIPE-region.
>
> we've done so for chinese customers etc in the past as well, and they're 
> definately not in the RIPE-regio.
>
> RIPE charges the LIR an "maintenance fee" but they're nowhere near the ARIN's 
> directassignment fees.
>
> (plus, why the hell do you stay in that retarded ex-colony of ours anwyay, 
> move back to europe, problem solved, no dmca here ;)
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> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Mike Perry wrote:
>
>> Thus spake grarpamp (grarpamp at gmail.com):
>> 
>>> On 8/24/10, Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven at cb3rob.net> wrote:
>>> In the US, the place to go is ARIN.
>>> 
>>> To go fully PI, US, with your own registration everywhere,  you'd need
>>> roughly...
>>> /22 ~ /21 = $1250, available for multihoming only, annual
>>>  AS = $500, for multihoming, annual
>>> /20 ~ /19 = $2250, available for single and multi, annual
>>> $100 = ARIN OrgID ISP fee, annual
>>> $15 = domain name, annual
>>> $50 ~ $bling = internet pipe, x2 for multi, month
>>> $50 ~ $bling = 1RU, month
>>> $500 = server, once
>>> $beer = cool upstream with clue, every few trouble tickets
>>> plus whatever else I missed.
>>> Budget of $250/mo might give you perpetual service.
>> 
>> After thinking about this and other ways of enabling the default exit
>> policy in the US, I am beginning to wonder if the default exit policy
>> is a really good idea here.
>> 
>> Let's say everything goes according to plan, and we manage to get an
>> IP allocation that allows us to handle abuse directly at a very high
>> capacity Tor node, and we use it to run the default policy and send
>> the BayTSP and MediaSentry complaints to /dev/null.
>> 
>> Eventually, these organizations realize that their spam is being
>> ignored, and report this to their clients: Universal, Viacom, and
>> others. Let's say the best of all outcomes happens: they sue us, EFF
>> defends us, and we win the case, establishing legal precedent that
>> DMCA 512(a) claims need to actually prove repeated subscriber
>> infringement before an ISP needs to do anything (a long shot, IMO).
>> 
>> I believe it would be quite easy for big content to turn right around
>> and lobby for even stronger DMCA protections, and possibly even data
>> retention for anonymity providers, and succeed in changing the law.
>> 
>> The problem is that there is a rather large climate of Intellectual
>> Property xenophobia in the United States. This is possibly due to one
>> of our major exports being IP, content, and design, rather than
>> actual products, and one of our main competitors being the
>> IP-disrespecting China. It is also combined with the fact that the
>> Obama administration and Democrats in general tend to receive larger
>> contributions from Hollywood and big content than Republicans.
>> 
>> There has been a large influx of big content/copyright lawyers at the
>> DoJ, and the FBI's #1 investigative priority is copyright
>> infringement, which indicate these current trends:
>> 
>> http://www.fudzilla.com/home/news/fbi-considers-copyright-cases-top-priority
>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/02/influx-of-big-content-lawyers-at-doj-cause-for-concern.ars
>> 
>> We also already have ACTA on the horizon. I'm not sure if giving ammo
>> to people who have managed to rewrite copyright law every time the
>> first Mickey Mouse drawings are about to pass into public domain is
>> something we want to do.
>> 
>> Also, personally, I'd rather see P2P traffic on an purely internal
>> overlay network like I2P, rather than overloading a network that is
>> vital for general anonymous communication with the rest of the
>> Internet, like Tor. Tor isn't even safe for P2P anyway:
>> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea
>> 
>> As such, I've tried to add yet more ports to the reduced exit policy:
>> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-minimal-harassment
>> and I think this is the policy we should advise for high-speed nodes
>> in the US.
>> 
>> Thoughts about this?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mike Perry
>> Mad Computer Scientist
>> fscked.org evil labs
>> 
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