[tor-dev] Gitian-based Deterministic Build System for TBB (Need MacOS Help!)
akarmn at gmail.com
Mon Jun 10 00:46:13 UTC 2013
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Mike Perry <mikeperry at torproject.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Mike Perry <mikeperry at torproject.org> wrote:
>> > Mike Perry:
>> >> Thus spake Jeroen Massar (jeroen at massar.ch):
>> >> > On 2013-05-15 08:49 , Mike Perry wrote:
>> >> > > Unfortunately, at least one of those URLs say that to produce a
>> >> > > cross-compiler, you need access to an OSX SDK. Since I do not have a Mac
>> >> > > that is currently supported by recent OSX SDKs, and since we *really*
>> >> > > want to be sure that the cross-compilers we produce use code from a
>> >> > > fresh known-good SDK install, I won't be doing this. Please let me know
>> >> > > if you'd like to help tackle this problem.
>> >> >
>> >> > The tutorials you provide all use OpenDarwin's cctools, which is a
>> >> > modified/"improved" version of Apple's opensource cctools. Most of that
>> >> > stuff is pretty outdated though, as OSX is at 10.8, not 10.5 from about
>> >> > 6 years ago. It seems though most people (reading what is being done on
>> >> > the web ;) are using the flosoft stuff which is at least 10.6 and embeds
>> >> > the OSX SDK.
>> >> Ok, I guess I will just go the flosoft route then. I will work on
>> >> writing gitian descriptors using these binary packages. However, it
>> >> looks like right now this means I have to use "Maverick" (11.04) as the
>> >> Gitian VM's base install. Since "Maverick" is unsupported for security
>> >> updates, this might be unwise for production..
>> >> Is anyone able to work on rebuilding flosofts's .deb packages for either
>> >> lucid (10.04 LTS) or precise (12.04 LTS) while I work on getting initial
>> >> Gitian descriptors using Maverick for now?
>> >> https://launchpad.net/~flosoft/+archive/cross-apple/+packages
>> > Good news, everyone!
>> > I ended up hitting an Internal Compiler Error in flosoft's GCC while
>> > trying to build Firefox with them. After a long and painful saga of
>> > trying to rebuild a newer version of GCC, I eventually discovered the
>> > excellent "toolchain4" cross-compilation project maintained by Ray
>> > Donnelly:
>> > https://github.com/mingwandroid/toolchain4
>> > https://mingw-and-ndk.googlecode.com/files/multiarch-darwin11-cctools127.2-gcc42-5666.3-llvmgcc42-2336.1-Linux-120724.tar.xz
>> > Despite using the same base GCC version as flosoft (4.2.1), his compiler
>> > does not hit the ICE with Firefox.
>> > Moreover, with Ray's help, I was able to use his binaries and the
>> > flosoft OSX 10.6 SDK to successfully build a working TBB for Mac from
>> > Gitian. These descriptors are now in the repository, and the Makefile
>> > should now build bundles for all three platforms by default.
>> > There still are some branding and localization bugs, and I have not yet
>> > redone the whole build to verify determinism for MacOS yet, but I am
>> > optimistic!
>> Would this work on an Ubuntu that's built from source, or are we
>> dependent on their binaries?
> Unclear. Unfortunately, I've run into a series of differences that arise
> between different *hardware*, even though the underlying Ubuntu versions
> and VMs are the same.. Most of those are file reordering differences
> inside zip files that probably arise from filesystem/blockdevice-level
> differences, but there is some really spooky shit happening inside of
> Firefox's libxul.so too (no joke).
> I am now working on eliminating those differences, so that at least two
> different computers can produce the same binaries. I have to deal with
> that setback first before we could expect a full source rebuild to work,
> I think. :/
> However, I think the better way to achieve what you're getting at is to
> recompile the Ubuntu toolchain (gcc/g++/binutils) itself from source as
> a Gitian descriptor. Once we get that piece, we *should* be able to run
> all the descriptors on different Linux distribution images and still get
> the same binaries, allowing us to require compromise of *all* Linux
> distributions that reproduce our builds (including say Gentoo).
> This idea is documented in the "Long-Term" section of the TODO file, but
> it would happen much faster if someone helped to make a simple Gitian
> descriptor to recompile the Ubuntu toolchain (which we consider
> known-good because it is what Mozilla uses).
> We'd need to do the same with the mingw-w64 toolchain and Ray's
> 'toolchain4', too.
> Note: The toolchains themselves probably don't have to be compiled
> determistically (except for the statically linked bits like libgcc and
> the crt stuff).
> Mike Perry
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> tor-dev at lists.torproject.org
Thanks for the reply. Its good to know that these issues are being
looked at. The build process was one of the main problems I had with
the TBB, and this definitely seems like an improvement.
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