Suggestion: Many OR-ports would improve the network
vikingserver at gmail.com
vikingserver at gmail.com
Fri Jun 15 14:36:28 UTC 2007
decentralized popular P2P helps people in countries with cencorship by
allowing the people of the country to access: pictures, documents, news
videos, religious videos, political videos, etc...
Your example of some dumb person sharing his/her company's secret
information doesn't relate to what I wrote. I don't understand why you
show this example. Tor is not an intrusive software that shares
everyone's information stored on their computers... And I don't know of
any P2P or filesharing program that shares everything that are on
people's company computers. A person's stupidity has nothing to do with
I was writing about Tor, and making it possible to access every public
thing on the internet to everyone in the whole world.
My point was that I think Tor needs to become a tool to allow freedom of
information and freedom of speech in the whole world.
Cat Okita skrev:
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, vikingserver at gmail.com wrote:
>> Decentralized popular P2P with a wide variety of ports and
>> "hubs/nodes/servers" are more successfull then Tor at helping persons in
>> oppressed countries.
> Let me ask a different question - how do you think that "decentralized
> popular P2P" helps people in oppressed countries?
>> Tor has to become better in order to allow users in the whole world to
>> reach every website in the world. But perhaps the goals is just to allow
>> traffic in the western world from non restrictive networks?
> I think you're mistaking my question here :) There needs to be a balance
> between privacy and freedom of access; A piece of software that
> any security checks that I've got in my environment is a great conduit
> for incidents like the following:
> By Jaikumar Vijayan
> June 12, 2007
> A Pfizer Inc. employee who installed unauthorized file-sharing
> on a company laptop provided for use at her home has exposed the
> Security numbers and other personal data belonging to about 17,000
> current and former employees at the drug maker.
> Of that group, about 15,700 individuals actually had their data
> and copied by an unknown number of persons on a peer-to-peer network,
> the company said in letters sent to affected employees and to state
> attorneys general alerting them of the breach.
> I'd like to see some discussion around how privacy is preserved, and how
> Tor continues to be a Good Thing (tm) for those of us that are in the
> position of justifying why Tor should be allowed -for business reasons-,
> rather than feel good reasons.
>  Yes, seriously - I don't know what your definition of "help" is...
>  I'm aware that Tor isn't p2p file sharing software - but when Tor
> takes on similar characteristics to p2p software, the results from the
> point of view of many infosec folk aren't that different.
>> Cat Okita skrev:
>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Nick Mathewson wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Jun 09, 2007 at 03:28:09PM +0200, vikingserver at gmail.com
>>>>> Is there a plan for TOR servers to be able to announce several
>>>>> and DIR-ports?
>>>> There sorta is. It's been a "nice-to-have" for a while, and I think
>>>> it's a good idea. Somebody should specify and implement it. If
>>>> there's a decent spec and patch on an 0.2.0.x timeframe, I'd love to
>>>> check it in.
>>>> Here's what would need to be in the proposal:
>>>> - Some way to configure which address:port combinations to listen
>>>> on, and/or which to advertise.
>>> I'd also like to see some discussion of the effect this is likely to
>>> in environments that need to ban or limit Tor. Speaking only for
>>> myself, in an environment where I need to keep a lid on Tor usage,
>>> having to chase port settings around makes it more likely that I'm
>>> going to
>>> move from limiting Tor to just plain banning it.
>>> "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and
>>> desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to
>>> avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right
> "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound
> desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to
> avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."
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