[tor-bugs] #16107 [general]: Should OnioNS use the .tor pseudo-TLD?

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#16107: Should OnioNS use the .tor pseudo-TLD?
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     Reporter:  Jesse V.     |      Owner:
         Type:  enhancement  |     Status:  new
     Priority:  normal       |  Milestone:
    Component:  general      |    Version:
   Resolution:               |   Keywords:  Tor, onion, hidden services
Actual Points:               |  Parent ID:
       Points:               |
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Changes (by tom):

 * cc: tom (added)


Old description:

> The Onion Name System (OnioNS) is a new alternative DNS for Tor hidden
> services. In it, I'm claiming the .tor pseudo-TLD, which can point to
> either .tor or .onion TLDs, making it a Tor-only DNS. The .tor domain
> seems appropriate given the context, but really any TLD may be used as
> long as it's not in use on the Internet, since Tor needs to intercept and
> handle those lookups differently than regular hostnames.
>
> <tjr> We're working on asking the IETF to reserve .onion for us, and it's
> a harrowing experience in circular discussions and such
> <tjr> One of the things that's come out of the discussions, that (I
> think) is likely to happen is a .alt will be reserved with the intention
> that people deploying new TLDs would use .alt, and possibly switch to a
> reserved TLD after it gets enough ciritcal mass. (Maybe)
> <tjr18> I would really like to use .tor also, I'm basically just
> wondering if it it will earn us points in our efforts if we were to say
> "Look, .alt wasn't around in 2004, but it might be today, so we decided
> to use that while we develop this." and then hopefully switch .tor
>
> I would like to use .tor for development and production, but I am willing
> to use .alt or .tor.alt for development and then switch to .tor, or
> change to a different TLD permanently if it makes life easier. If there
> is enough demand, I can do that. Otherwise, I will use .tor. Please
> express your opinions and close the ticket when we have a consensus.

New description:

 The Onion Name System (OnioNS) is a new alternative DNS for Tor hidden
 services. In it, I'm claiming the .tor pseudo-TLD, which can point to
 either .tor or .onion TLDs, making it a Tor-only DNS. The .tor domain
 seems appropriate given the context, but really any TLD may be used as
 long as it's not in use on the Internet, since Tor needs to intercept and
 handle those lookups differently than regular hostnames.

 <tjr> We're working on asking the IETF to reserve .onion for us, and it's
 a harrowing experience in circular discussions and such
 <tjr> One of the things that's come out of the discussions, that (I think)
 is likely to happen is a .alt will be reserved with the intention that
 people deploying new TLDs would use .alt, and possibly switch to a
 reserved TLD after it gets enough ciritcal mass. (Maybe)
 <tjr18> I would really like to use .tor also, I'm basically just wondering
 if it it will earn us points in our efforts if we were to say "Look, .alt
 wasn't around in 2004, but it might be today, so we decided to use that
 while we develop this." and then hopefully switch .tor

 I would like to use .tor for development and production, but I am willing
 to use .alt or .tor.alt for development and then switch to .tor, or change
 to a different TLD permanently if it makes life easier. If there is enough
 demand, I can do that. Otherwise, I will use .tor. Please express your
 opinions and close the ticket when we have a consensus.

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Comment:

 I'd like to let the DNSOP discussions continue for a little bit longer
 before we decide using the less friendly ".tor.alt" is worthwhile.

 And there's always friendlyname.tor.onion :)

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