> While Jekyll is indeed a choice, for larger sites, it's generation time is simply too long.

Are there any benchmarks or examples to validate this statement?

I would be very interested to see generation times comparing the proposed static site generators, especially for larger sites. 

I personally have never encountered such problems in my usage of Jekyll though they haven't been large, content heavy applications like will be the case for torproject.org. 

> (Someone suggested Middleman? It also has internationalization!)

I was somebody who suggested Middleman and indeed, it does have internationalisation baked in, though a concern I personally have is that it could potentially be _overkill_ for the application in this case. 

Thoughts?

Rey

On 10 Jan 2014, at 18:21, Namanyay Goel <mail@namanyayg.com> wrote:

While Jekyll is indeed a choice, for larger sites, it's generation time is simply too long. Development takes time on Jekyll, simply because of it's generation time. If we can offset that problem in some way, that would be great, otherwise I feel we should be looking at some other static site generator (Someone suggested Middleman? It also has internationalization!)

As for the debate about author's writing 'code', Markdown is easy to learn and use, and outputs semantic data. We really don't need a rich text editor of some sort, Markdown (Or similar languages) are good enough. 


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Gvido Glazers <gvido.glazers@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello, Everyone!
Missed the introduction thread, so I'll just start with that:
I'm Gvido, and I'm currently based in Amsterdam.
My official job title is front-end developer, but in reality I do full-stack development with ruby or python.


Now, back on topic.
I'm also going to agree with the general sentiment that Jekyll is the way to go. It's stable, simple, widely used, easy to extend, and powerful.
Markdown is really easy to learn, I don't think content creators writing about Tor would have a problem grasping it.


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 6:52 PM, William Papper <william@papper.me> wrote:
Definitely a +1 for Jekyll. There's no need to reinvent the wheel. While a custom solution or plain HTML may seem appealing at first (and would be great for a personal project), Jekyll lets us move much quicker and keeps everything relatively standardized. It also makes it easier for people to collaborate, since Jekyll is widely used.


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Moritz Süß <moritz@moritzsuess.de> wrote:
Markdown is _very_ simple.

Let’s try to use these as long as possible for getting people familiarized with Markdown. We do not want to duplicate existing documentation efforts, and keep up-front investment for tools as low as possible in this project.

I hope I am correct in my understanding that we agree on a static website generator now, and kind-off agree on Jekyll.

Best
Moritz

Am 10.01.2014 um 17:35 schrieb Earl G <globallogins@gmail.com>:

Ok So Jeklly
a user guide for people that need to learn markdown to be able to contribute to the blog.

and the front of the site user friendly for anybody that wants to get started.

back of the site and deeper for the linux nerds and specialists that want to dig deeper.

job done



On 10 January 2014 17:32, Sam E. Lawrence <selbrit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Sean Rafferty <seanmrafferty@me.com> wrote:
But there are a lot of content writers in the world that just don’t know it well enough. 

Then they can learn. If someone wants to contribute to a solution to a problem as complex as privacy and security, then learning markdown / HTML should be a minor investment of their time. Basic HTML takes little time to learn, and will instantly boost the self-respect of anyone who wants to help Tor and other software projects. Setting a bar is worth it, IMO.

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