Just 2 make 1 thing clear: Its not we against you (ISPs).

Working myself years ago at an ISP I know the trouble and I understand
the issues.

Markus


2016-10-04 19:49 GMT+02:00 <oconor@email.cz>:
> Hello,
>
> I'm the ISP technician who is negotiating with Paul who started this thread.
> I just read this whole discussion and I think that there are few things
> which need to be mentioned.
>
> The threat of blocked subnet is real. It happened once to us and we don't
> want to experience that anymore. Imagine a few hundreds angry customers, who
> are bombing your support and writing all over the internet about your awful
> services. The worst thing is, that you can't do anything about it, but wait
> to some authority to confirm your delist request. Then you spend few
> days/weeks searching the newly created discusion threads and keep explaining
> what happened. That costs a lot of money and energy. The prevention is the
> best solution.
>
> Nowadays IPS can be handled by the owner to filter just what he wants to be
> filtered. It's not a rocket science. We are using IPS for our webhosting and
> mailserver segment and I can say it can save work of 2-3 people, who would
> otherwise constantly write to clients to put some hotfix to their system /
> change their password / etc.
>
> It would be fine, if you start seek for solution how to stop malicious
> activity comming out of the tor exit nodes and stop seeking reasons why not
> to do that.
>
> Freedom is very important to me, but freedom of one ends where the other
> begins.
>
> Petr
>
> 100% agreed.
>
> Just let us kick out the bots ...
>
> Offending/Source IP: 95.85.45.159
> - Issue: Source has attempted the following botnet activity:
> Semalt Referrer Spam Tor Exit Bot
>
> I am not in for free speech for bots and anything without a pulse.
>
> markus
>
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> Offending/Source IP: 95.85.45.159
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> 2016-10-04 18:46 GMT+02:00 Moritz Bartl <moritz@torservers.net>:
>> On 10/04/2016 06:23 PM, Tristan wrote:
>>> Wouldn't it be interesting if we could set up some kind of central "Tor
>>> Abuse Center" where all the complaints go, and all the relay operators
>>> can help respond to them. I suppose it would be pretty chaotic though...
>>
>> We actually discussed this briefly again at the recent Tor developers
>> meeting, and it comes up every once in a while. It's an interesting
>> thought experiment, and it would not take much to turn ourselves into an
>> Abuse Management provider. I've seen this actually exists in the
>> commercial space.
>>
>> One thing that makes it hard is that there's no assurance that someone
>> is really only running an exit on a certain IP address; even if the
>> Abuse Management Service verified that that IP address was a Tor exit at
>> that point in time, it cannot in all honesty state that in fact the exit
>> relay process caused a particular network activity or not.
>>
>> I do think we can operate this "in good faith", and we simply cannot set
>> it up in a way that we can make it impossible to misuse.
>>
>> Still, this will not help in this (and related) cases: I have not yet
>> seen proven cases where the reputation of the netblock was endangered,
>> but if an ISP is afraid of that, there's no good way to cooperate. An
>> IDS is their obvious suggestion, which just shows that they don't
>> understand how Tor works. I argue strongly against deploying such
>> systems on Tor exits. It will mess up more than it does good, and it
>> won't be able to reliably detect *and block* bad behaviour.
>>
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