On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 08:55:36PM -0700, Arthur D. Edelstein wrote:

As Mike suggested, I've posted David's web app here: http://qfgbmpw3obwb3ix3.onion

David -- is this measuring system font glyphs or only web fonts that download at the beginning? And can you suggest how to interpret the submissions file?

The web app is doing many researchy things, some of which are no longer important. In particular, you probably want http://qfgbmpw3obwb3ix3.onion/fastfp, not the default /fontfp. That one runs in under a second and is a much faster way to test whether the defense is working. You only need to use /fontfp (which tests against all of Unicode) if you want to try and find new potentially problematic code points. The fastfp page gives you three fingerprints. Only the first one matters. The other two are simulations of providing a standard-font defense; i.e., what you've already implemented. :2d5db8b8 using system fonts (no defense). st:502fc3e6 simulating a defense that allows only standard fonts. un:48ac0cd4 simulating a defense with just one standard font. The only one you need to pay attention to is the ":" one, not the "st:" one or the "un:" one. You probably don't want to be collecting submission files. They are set up to be highly anonymized and to be for a general browser population, not Tor Browser. You're going to be getting a mix of people visiting the site, with and without 5.0a4, all their results mixed together with no way to differentiate them. There is code that partially documents the submission files in fp/submission.go. An example of what you can do with submission files is get summary statistics for individual code points, $ ./summary/summary submissions/* point minw maxw meanw minh maxh meanh var U+0000 0 249 16.06 368 1200 400.74 18.5226 U+0001 0 0 0.00 368 1200 400.74 16.5118 Or diff two submissions: $ ./diff/diff --styles default submissions/1 submissions/2 U+0000 default 0×369 0×380 (+0,+11) U+0001 default 0×369 0×380 (+0,+11) I think it would be better if we set up a static HTML page that would print out a complete list of glyph sizes with a checksum. tor-qa people could self-report their checksum. If we find any that don't match, we can then try and investigate why (gk and I did a lot of this during the fontfp research). There's a code point viewer at e.g. http://qfgbmpw3obwb3ix3.onion/u/03b1. It gives the dimensions of the glyph in all font styles and shows the glyph on the screen. We resorted to this to find out why rendering was different across some systems (i.e., opened a couple of screenshots in Gimp and subtracted them to find out what pixels were different); that was some of our evidence that antialiasing settings are a cause of distinguishability.

This is brilliant, David! It's extremely useful. Thank you. On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:38 PM, david@bamsoftware.com <david@bamsoftware.com> wrote:

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 06:11:16PM -0700, david@bamsoftware.com wrote:

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 08:55:36PM -0700, Arthur D. Edelstein wrote:

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As Mike suggested, I've posted David's web app here: http://qfgbmpw3obwb3ix3.onion

David -- is this measuring system font glyphs or only web fonts that download at the beginning? And can you suggest how to interpret the submissions file?

I think it would be better if we set up a static HTML page that would print out a complete list of glyph sizes with a checksum. tor-qa people could self-report their checksum. If we find any that don't match, we can then try and investigate why (gk and I did a lot of this during the fontfp research).

I set up a test page to help with debugging font differences.

https://people.torproject.org/~dcf/fonttest.html

The page tests a few dozen code points (quickly, in less than a second). Then it saves all the dimensions to a text box that you can download to a file. I hope that it will make it easy to diff two result sets and investigate any differences. It doesn't have any of the "st:" and "un:" checksum stuff that is no longer relevant. The source code is pretty hackable.

The page has a viewer so you can screenshot and diff glyphs that differ.

https://people.torproject.org/~dcf/fonttest.html#viewer

Good news, the checksums on two of my Debian computers is the same under 5.0a4, when they were different under 5.0a3. At the end of this message I've included full results files downloaded from the fonttest page.

5.0a3 5.0a4 Debian 8 1-2d5db8b8 1-83e97f7d Debian 8 1-ee150545 1-83e97f7d Windows 8 1-e77cd884 1-0fe1d60b

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Checksum: 1-0fe1d60b Date: 2015-08-06T12:52:04.700Z User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/38.0 Browser version: Tor Browser 5.0a4 OS: Windows 8.1 Pro Notes: According to Firefox about:support: Direct2D Enabled Blocked for your graphics card because of unresolved driver issues. DirectWrite Enabled false (6.3.9600.17795) WebGL Renderer Blocked for your graphics card because of unresolved driver issues. AzureCanvasBackend skia AzureContentBackend cairo

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On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 11:16:39AM +0200, Moritz Bartl wrote:

On 08/06/2015 08:38 AM, david@bamsoftware.com wrote:

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Good news, the checksums on two of my Debian computers is the same under 5.0a4

I don't get the same on my Debian 8 with 5.0a4. (at 100% zoom level; different checksum at different zoom levels)

Checksum: 1-05fc9f99 Date: 2015-08-06T09:12:22.700Z User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/38.0 Browser version: Tor Browser 5.0a4 OS: Debian 8 x64 i3wm Notes:

Oh, very interesting. It seems the difference is only in one code point, in the "cursive" and "fantasy" styles (last two columns): -U+058F 745,1362 745,1362 699,1362 745,1369 699,1362 699,1362 +U+058F 745,1362 745,1362 699,1362 745,1369 745,1362 745,1362 Could you make screenshots of the two renderings? I will attach mine. The easy way to make a screenshot is to open the developer toolbar with Shift+F2, then type screenshot [filename] --fullpage Go to https://people.torproject.org/~dcf/fonttest.html#viewer and enter "058f" in the box. Select "default" from the dropdown and take a screenshot. Then select "cursive" and take another. For me, the "default" glyph is using the font "Noto Sans Armenian" and the "cursive" glyph is using "Noto Serif Armenian". I found that out by typing Ctrl+Shift+I, clicking the arrow icon ("Pick an element from the page"), clicking the big glyph, then selecting the "Fonts" tab.

On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 01:36:57PM +0200, Moritz Bartl wrote:

On 08/06/2015 11:43 AM, David Fifield wrote:

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Oh, very interesting. It seems the difference is only in one code point, in the "cursive" and "fantasy" styles (last two columns): [...] Could you make screenshots of the two renderings?

Attached. I don't see any difference between default and cursive.

That's very interesting. In just that one code point, your computer chooses a sans-serif font for the "fantasy" and "cursive" styles, while mine chooses a serif font. Probably we would find more examples if we tested more of Unicode. I would not have expected a difference like this. It does not come down to small rendering differences; the browser is simply choosing a different font. Perhaps there is something non-deterministic about how Firefox (or Fontconfig) loads its font files. Like, maybe it iterates a directory in inode order and takes the first match when there is a tie. Interestingly, even our two "default" screenshots are not pixel-identical. It looks like it comes down to different hinting settings. It is especially apparent in the small text at the top. I attach an animation comparing the two renderings. This is the realm of #16739.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 9:41 AM, David Fifield <david@bamsoftware.com> wrote:

On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 01:36:57PM +0200, Moritz Bartl wrote:

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On 08/06/2015 11:43 AM, David Fifield wrote:

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Oh, very interesting. It seems the difference is only in one code point, in the "cursive" and "fantasy" styles (last two columns): [...] Could you make screenshots of the two renderings?

Attached. I don't see any difference between default and cursive.

That's very interesting. In just that one code point, your computer chooses a sans-serif font for the "fantasy" and "cursive" styles, while mine chooses a serif font. Probably we would find more examples if we tested more of Unicode.

I would not have expected a difference like this. It does not come down to small rendering differences; the browser is simply choosing a different font. Perhaps there is something non-deterministic about how Firefox (or Fontconfig) loads its font files. Like, maybe it iterates a directory in inode order and takes the first match when there is a tie.

If you add "Noto Serif Armenian" or "Noto Sans Armenian" to the lists in the prefs "font.name-list.fantasy.x-unicode" and "font.name-list.cursive.x-unicode" (these can be edited in about:config) does that determine the font chosen for that code point and allow you to get a checksum match? If so, it seems we should include as many fonts as possible in each "name-list" to ensure the font priority is consistent across platforms.

On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 11:37:20PM +0200, Moritz Bartl wrote:

On 08/06/2015 08:09 PM, Arthur D. Edelstein wrote:

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If you add "Noto Serif Armenian" or "Noto Sans Armenian" to the lists in the prefs "font.name-list.fantasy.x-unicode" and "font.name-list.cursive.x-unicode" (these can be edited in about:config) does that determine the font chosen for that code point and allow you to get a checksum match?

I tried the three options, adding one of each and adding both, including browser restarts in between, but that didn't affect the checksum at all.

Same here. I tried adding the strings in both orders to the end of the list, with checksum 1-83e97f7d in every case. I noticed the original settings had what seems to be an erroneous backslash after "Noto Sans Lao": Noto Serif, Noto Sans Canadian Aboriginal, Noto Sans Cherokee, Noto Sans Lao\, Noto Sans Myanmar, Noto Sans Mongolian, Noto Sans Thaana, Noto Sans Yi, Noto Serif Lao I removed it, and still no change. There's a way to get Fontconfig debugging information with the FC_DEBUG environment variable. It's been a while since I had to do it, but the details are in "man fonts-conf" (http://linux.die.net/man/5/fonts-conf): MATCH 1 Brief information about font matching MATCHV 2 Extensive font matching information EDIT 4 Monitor match/test/edit execution FONTSET 8 Track loading of font information at startup CACHE 16 Watch cache files being written CACHEV 32 Extensive cache file writing information PARSE 64 (no longer in use) SCAN 128 Watch font files being scanned to build caches SCANV 256 Verbose font file scanning information MEMORY 512 Monitor fontconfig memory usage CONFIG 1024 Monitor which config files are loaded LANGSET 2048 Dump char sets used to construct lang values OBJTYPES 4096 Display message when value typechecks fail So if you want MATCHV, FONTSET, and CONFIG output, then you add 2+8+1024=1034 and set FC_DEBUG=1034 before starting the program.

On 08/06/2015 11:43 AM, David Fifield wrote:

Oh, very interesting. It seems the difference is only in one code point, in the "cursive" and "fantasy" styles (last two columns): [...] Could you make screenshots of the two renderings?

Attached. I don't see any difference between default and cursive.

For me, the "default" glyph is using the font "Noto Sans Armenian" and the "cursive" glyph is using "Noto Serif Armenian". I found that out by typing Ctrl+Shift+I, clicking the arrow icon ("Pick an element from the page"), clicking the big glyph, then selecting the "Fonts" tab.

Same for me, Noto Serif Armenian. -- Moritz Bartl https://www.torservers.net/

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On 07/31/2015 12:38 AM, Mike Perry wrote:

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* Update Tor to 0.2.7.2-alpha with patches:

Are you planning to ship Tor 0.2.7.x-alpha in the final Tor Browser 5.0 release? If so, what are the reasons? On Tails' side of things we're a bit concerned about having to ship a Tor alpha version.

No worries. We plan to ship the latest Tor stable version. Note, however, we'll very likely include the Tor patches we shipped so far in the stable and the alpha series. Georg