I know there's occasional issues regarding how some people interact on IRC and mailing lists, and I also know there's no magic bullets to ensure a friendly environment. But I jotted down this as a draft for the content of some solution or another. I don't know the form it would take, but at least it's a start at the substance.
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Tor Project channels such as mailing lists and IRC are primarily populated by diverse, uncompensated volunteers and privacy enthusiasts, with a wide range of native languages and computer experience, dwelling in an array of real-life conditions.
The average online participant is motivated to assist others or seek help in circumventing censorship and mitigating surveillance.
On that note, we implore everyone to maintain a friendly and collegial tone. You are unlikely to personally know other online dwellers, so realize their own physical circumstances may be very different from your perceptions.
Online Tor channel participants might not be fluent in the most commonly used languages, in particular English. Interpretations and tones are easily deceptive, even among speakers of English variants. Conducting oneself with patience and understanding is vital in keeping online discourse collaborative and productive.
In other cases, online Tor participants may not be expert computer users. Clearly phrasing technical questions isn't an innate ability, and more experienced users should look to ask simple, non-patronizing questions to help them articulate issues they face.
Finally and maybe most importantly, online participants may be in high-pressure environments, from dodging the watchful eyes of management or more starkly, evading an oppressive government. Possible repercussions for engaging in the Tor online community could mean loss of employment, harassment or worse.
Keep that in mind when engaging in online Tor channels. Patience and understanding, in addition to a imaginative empathy, allows us to make our community stronger and more capable of assisting each other.
George,
I can only offer a big "+1" to all this, I appreciate you drafting it.
I think an open question for me is "how can we make this maximally 'discoverable' in relevant channels?", especially for new community members.
peace, gunner
On 10/11/2018 06:21 AM, George wrote:
I know there's occasional issues regarding how some people interact on IRC and mailing lists, and I also know there's no magic bullets to ensure a friendly environment. But I jotted down this as a draft for the content of some solution or another. I don't know the form it would take, but at least it's a start at the substance.
Tor Project channels such as mailing lists and IRC are primarily populated by diverse, uncompensated volunteers and privacy enthusiasts, with a wide range of native languages and computer experience, dwelling in an array of real-life conditions.
The average online participant is motivated to assist others or seek help in circumventing censorship and mitigating surveillance.
On that note, we implore everyone to maintain a friendly and collegial tone. You are unlikely to personally know other online dwellers, so realize their own physical circumstances may be very different from your perceptions.
Online Tor channel participants might not be fluent in the most commonly used languages, in particular English. Interpretations and tones are easily deceptive, even among speakers of English variants. Conducting oneself with patience and understanding is vital in keeping online discourse collaborative and productive.
In other cases, online Tor participants may not be expert computer users. Clearly phrasing technical questions isn't an innate ability, and more experienced users should look to ask simple, non-patronizing questions to help them articulate issues they face.
Finally and maybe most importantly, online participants may be in high-pressure environments, from dodging the watchful eyes of management or more starkly, evading an oppressive government. Possible repercussions for engaging in the Tor online community could mean loss of employment, harassment or worse.
Keep that in mind when engaging in online Tor channels. Patience and understanding, in addition to a imaginative empathy, allows us to make our community stronger and more capable of assisting each other.
Allen Gunn:
George,
I can only offer a big "+1" to all this, I appreciate you drafting it.
Been juggling this in the back of my mind for a while.
I think an open question for me is "how can we make this maximally 'discoverable' in relevant channels?", especially for new community members.
Yeah... that's what I mean by 'form'. I wish we could just tell ppl to type `man 7 sane-conduct` in irc and it appears.
g
On Thu 2018-10-11 16:11:00 +0000, George wrote:
Yeah... that's what I mean by 'form'. I wish we could just tell ppl to type `man 7 sane-conduct` in irc and it appears.
right, tell folks "rtfm about why you don't just tell folks to rtfm" :P
if we can have "apt install anarchism", surely we can have "apt install sane-conduct" which supplies such a manpage. (apologies to george for the non-diverse platform assumption!)
--dkg
Reminder about expectations is always a good thing.
Why don’t we have it on the signature for the mailing lists AND in the title for the irc channels?
Example for mailing list:
tor-project shared agreements https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/code_of_conduct.tx... tor-project mailing list tor-project@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-project
Example for irc title:
shared agreements https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/code_of_conduct.tx...
And it would be good to have it linked from somewhere in https://www.torproject.org with a shorter link and accesible. Unless it is somewhere and I couldn’t find it.
cheers, gaba
On Oct 11, 2018, at 9:11 AM, George george@queair.net wrote:
Signed PGP part Allen Gunn:
George,
I can only offer a big "+1" to all this, I appreciate you drafting it.
Been juggling this in the back of my mind for a while.
I think an open question for me is "how can we make this maximally 'discoverable' in relevant channels?", especially for new community members.
Yeah... that's what I mean by 'form'. I wish we could just tell ppl to type `man 7 sane-conduct` in irc and it appears.
g
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Gaba:
Reminder about expectations is always a good thing.
Why don’t we have it on the signature for the mailing lists AND in the title for the irc channels?
Example for mailing list:
tor-project shared agreements https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/code_of_conduct.tx... tor-project mailing list tor-project@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-project
Example for irc title:
shared agreements https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/code_of_conduct.tx...
And it would be good to have it linked from somewhere in https://www.torproject.org with a shorter link and accesible. Unless it is somewhere and I couldn’t find it.
It's separate from my spiel, but +1 to the idea. Hopefully a few more people will see it...
g
cheers, gaba
On Oct 11, 2018, at 9:11 AM, George george@queair.net wrote:
Signed PGP part Allen Gunn:
George,
I can only offer a big "+1" to all this, I appreciate you drafting it.
Been juggling this in the back of my mind for a while.
I think an open question for me is "how can we make this maximally 'discoverable' in relevant channels?", especially for new community members.
Yeah... that's what I mean by 'form'. I wish we could just tell ppl to type `man 7 sane-conduct` in irc and it appears.
g
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Hi George,
Thanks for writing it up! Sounds like it would be great content for the new Community portal :)
Pili
— Project Manager: Tor Browser, UX and Community teams pili at torproject dot org gpg 3E7F A89E 2459 B6CC A62F 56B8 C6CB 772E F096 9C45
On Friday, Oct 12, 2018 at 10:27 PM, George <george@queair.net (mailto:george@queair.net)> wrote: Gaba:
Reminder about expectations is always a good thing.
Why don’t we have it on the signature for the mailing lists AND in the title for the irc channels?
Example for mailing list:
tor-project shared agreements https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/code_of_conduct.tx... tor-project mailing list tor-project@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-project
Example for irc title:
shared agreements https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/code_of_conduct.tx...
And it would be good to have it linked from somewhere in https://www.torproject.org with a shorter link and accesible. Unless it is somewhere and I couldn’t find it.
It's separate from my spiel, but +1 to the idea. Hopefully a few more people will see it...
g
cheers, gaba
On Oct 11, 2018, at 9:11 AM, George george@queair.net wrote:
Signed PGP part Allen Gunn:
George,
I can only offer a big "+1" to all this, I appreciate you drafting it.
Been juggling this in the back of my mind for a while.
I think an open question for me is "how can we make this maximally 'discoverable' in relevant channels?", especially for new community members.
Yeah... that's what I mean by 'form'. I wish we could just tell ppl to type `man 7 sane-conduct` in irc and it appears.
g
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