Hey everyone!

Here are our meeting logs: http://meetbot.debian.net/tor-meeting/2024/tor-meeting.2024-11-28-16.00.html

And our meeting pad:

Anti-censorship work meeting pad -------------------------------- Anti-censorship --------------------------------

Next meeting: Thursday, December 05 16:00 UTC Facilitator: onyinyang ^^^(See Facilitator Queue at tail)

Weekly meetings, every Thursday at 16:00 UTC, in #tor-meeting at OFTC (channel is logged while meetings are in progress)

This week's Facilitator: shelikhoo

== Goal of this meeting ==

Weekly check-in about the status of anti-censorship work at Tor. Coordinate collaboration between people/teams on anti-censorship at the Tor Project and Tor community.

== Links to Useful documents ==     * Our anti-censorship roadmap:         * Roadmap:https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/anti-censorship/-/boards     * The anti-censorship team's wiki page:         * https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/team/-/wikis/home     * Past meeting notes can be found at:         * https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-project/     * Tickets that need reviews: from projects, we are working on:         * All needs review tickets:             * https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/anti-censorship/-/merge_requests?sc...         * Project 158 <-- meskio working on it             * https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/anti-censorship/-/issues/?label_nam...

== Announcements ==

== Discussion ==

(old)     * Snowflake blocking in Russia November 2024         * https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowf...         * No apparent difference in DTLS handshakes between proxies that continue working and proxies that stop working.         * Reports say that some proxies stop working, but only after transferring some traffic.         * Hard to test because we can't easily control the proxy. It would be a good idea to set up a small test deployment to afford us more experimental control.             * cohosh will work on that.         * Traffic analysis fingerprinting? An old padding patch: https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/255#issuecomment-1566227484%5C (New Nov 21)     * Snowflake blocking in Russia November 2024         * Restored copy-paste signaling (manual without broker) to be able to control the proxy connection.             * https://gitlab.torproject.org/cohosh/snowflake/-/commit/a4a574a4584332fc2825...         * Still blocked with a new proxy: therefore likely some kind of protocol fingerprinting, not proxy enumeration.             * https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowf...         * Still blocked with client-side padding patch as well.             * https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowf...         * theodorsm's covertDTLS fork https://gitlab.torproject.org/theodorsm/snowflake/-/tree/covert-dtls-test     * Snowflake broker transition         * Next monday 2024-11-25 there will be a DNS switch from the current broker to the new broker primary.         * https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/tpa/team/-/issues/41878 (new Nov 28)     *  Broker Transition Anomaly     * (added by non-Tor member WofWca): Evaluate [the plan for "Multi-Pool Matching Support"](https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowf...     * Snowflake blocking in Russia seems to have stopped

== Actions ==

== Interesting links ==

*

== Reading group ==

* We will discuss "" on         *         * Questions to ask and goals to have:             * What aspects of the paper are questionable?             * Are there immediate actions we can take based on this work?             * Are there long-term actions we can take based on this work?             * Is there future work that we want to call out in hopes that others will pick it up?

== Updates == Name:         This week:             - What you worked on this week.         Next week:             - What you are planning to work on next week.         Help with:             - Something you need help with.

cecylia (cohosh): 2024-11-28     Last week:         - followed up on the snowflake blocking in Russia         - helped debug and recover from the snowflake broker upgrade         - caught up a bit on reviews         - fixed the logging of the new proxy event (snowflake#40413)         - started looking at alerts for censorship events (snowflake#40416)     This week:         - alerts for censorship events (snowflake#40416)         - keep looking at snowflake blocking in Russia         - take care of review backlog         - finish snowflake dependency upgrades that were causing problems         - take a look at snowflake web and webext translations and best practices         - make changes to Lox encrypted bridge table             - https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/lox/-/merge_requests/147     Needs help with:         - what was that censorship events mailing list?

dcf: 2024-11-21     Last week:         - released goptlib v1.6.0 https://lists.torproject.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/anti-censorship-team@l...     Next week:         - comment on updates to unreliable snowflake transport https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowf...         - open issue to have snowflake-client log whenever KCPInErrors is nonzero https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowf...             - parent: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowf...         - open issue to disable /debug endpoint on snowflake broker Help with:

meskio: 2024-11-28     Last week:         - investigate why the metrics of the new broker were not arriving to prometheus (tpa/team#41902)         - try to upgrade snowflake gitlab CI to debian stable and fail (for now)         - multiple grant writting work (logic model, reviews, ...)         - reports for grants fun         - WIP: update snowflake proxy debian package (snowflake#40414)     Next week:         - update snowflake proxy debian package (snowflake#40414)

Shelikhoo: 2024-11-28     Last Week:          - [Pending] snowflake broker update/reinstall(cont.): https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowf...          - [Awaiting Review] Unreliable+unordered WebRTC data channel transport for Snowflake rev2 (cont.)( https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowf... ) improvements          - Vantage point deployment in Iran          - Snowflake new broker deployment             - Merge request reviews     Next Week/TODO:         - Merge request reviews          - Work on finishing snowflake container release(and fix the comments)          - Incorrectly flattened container image with "pull" command https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowf...

onyinyang: 2024-11-21     Last week(s):         - working on refactor of Lox (library) protocols to improve issuing efficiency as described in: https://eprint.iacr.org/2024/1552.pdf             - WIP MR: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/lox/-/merge_requests/284         - Adjusted dependencies to line up with non-wasm browser integration for: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/43096):             - https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/lox/-/merge_requests/283             - Updating renovate bot to ignore these dependencies (and maybe others)         - Fixed up wasm changes in https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/lox/-/merge_requests/271     Next week:         - Fix up Troll-patrol MR         - Deploy test distributor         - Continue work on improving issuer efficiency in Lox protocols         - update lox protocols to return duplicate responses for an already seen request         - Work on outstanding milestone issues:             in particular: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/lox/-/issues/69             - key rotation automation

Later:         pending decision on abandoning lox wasm in favour of some kind of FFI? https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/43096):             - add pref to handle timing for pubkey checks in Tor browser             - add trusted invitation logic to tor browser integration: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/42974         - improve metrics collection/think about how to show Lox is working/valuable         - sketch out Lox blog post/usage notes for forum

(long term things were discussed at the meeting!):         - brainstorming grouping strategies for Lox buckets (of bridges) and gathering context on how types of bridges are distributed/use in practice             Question: What makes a bridge usable for a given user, and how can we encode that to best ensure we're getting the most appropriate resources to people?                 1. Are there some obvious grouping strategies that we can already consider?                     e.g., by PT, by bandwidth (lower bandwidth bridges sacrificed to open-invitation buckets?), by locale (to be matched with a requesting user's geoip or something?)                 2. Does it make sense to group 3 bridges/bucket, so trusted users have access to 3 bridges (and untrusted users have access to 1)? More? Less?

theodorsm: 2024-10-24         Last weeks:             - Adjusting to post-student life             - Testing out beta releases of pion dtls and webrtc         Next weeks:             - Update Snowflake to use latest pion upstream releases             - Test Snowflake fork with covert-dtls             - Condensing thesis into paper         Help with:             - Feedback on thesis

Facilitator Queue:         onyinyang meskio shelikhoo 1. First available staff in the Facilitator Queue will be the facilitator for the meeting 2. After facilitating the meeting, the facilitator will be moved to the tail of the queue