Got it.  I’ll no longer send these letters to trademark violations in regards to swag unless it is used maliciously.

Where I was coming from was centered around lost revenue. Tor swag belongs to our donors, relay operators, volunteers etc… Allowing anyone off the street print Tor related swag is just lost revenue and takes away from the “street cred” value of the coveted Tor t-shirt. 

Thanks,
Jon

On Jan 4, 2019, at 1:59 AM, isabela <isabela@torproject.org> wrote:

Hello everyone,

On 1/4/19 4:09 AM, Wendy Seltzer wrote:
On 1/4/19 3:08 AM, emma peel wrote:
Nima Fatemi:
I did see a number of unauthorized t-shirts and hoodies online yesterday as well. I’ll add them to my list.

We send the letters to these apps so the snake-oil ones are pulled and
the ones that are legit, are more clear that they're not affiliated or
endorsed by the tor project, as there's a good chance of harming the
users who seek privacy and anonymity.

But why are we sending letters who print Tor tshirts and hoodies? Are we
gonna do the same with stickers too? I wonder what's the logic behind
that...

I agree with Nima here. I would not enforce trademark protections on hoodies or t-shirts, only on fishy software, or something that may contain malicious software...

It's true Tor's primary products and services aren't t-shirts. If
someone is using the logo on a shirt in a way that celebrates the Tor
project, I'd agree that's fine.

If they're using it to make false associations that tarnish the mark, or
pretending that their sales support Tor without in fact sending Tor
money, we should complain.

--Wendy


Afaik we haven't send any letter to people regarding shirts, stickers,
hoodies yet. I agree with the above and I *think* (haven't spoke with
Jon yet) where Jon was coming from was just the fact of 'use of the logo
without permission' but I believe with the explanations above that I
agree with he now understands better where is the line here :) so we
won't be sending any letter regarding this type of usage of our logo.

thanks!
isabela
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