On Tue, Aug 2, 2016, at 07:59 AM, Lunar wrote:
Hi!
Mike Perry:
I hate to be late to the party, and I hate to start a libre/free/open flamewar, but I am concerned about the specific language "free of cost" with respect to our tools in Point #3. […] I see nothing wrong with paid versions of Tor tools, paid hardware, or paid access, so long as the implementations of security-critical components are open source and auditable. Maybe others disagree?
I disagree. :)
Wealth is already an important factor in one's ability to enjoy freedoms of opinion, expression, and association. If we agree that you can't really exercise these freedoms in the digital world without tools like Tor, I think such access to these tools should not be restricted by how much money you can spend on it.
While I agree that we should find ways to cover costs of production, or that I think it's ok to sell hardware with Tor preinstalled, I believe we should try to find business models that aim to balance the wealth disparities of this world, because I want our work to help balance power.
I agree with both of you in different ways. Requiring a user to be able to compile to get something free is not good enough.
Some longer thoughts below, but I think the spirit of what we say should be "Always Free, but Pay What You Can".
Using Onion Browser as an example, it is great that Mike Tigas has been able to independently support his work on that project by charging a small fee for the open-source software he builds. However, it has also severely limited adoption, and pushed users to less trustworthy apps, because there are many people who don't have the ability to purchase apps on iOS due to not having a credit card or being in a country where paid apps are not supported (like Iran, I believe). With iOS, there is no way to sideload from a free app store without making your device insecure, so the only "free as in beer" and secure way to get Onion Browser is to know someone who has a Mac, is an iOS developer, and who is willing to link your device to their IDE setup.
What I would like to see from Onion Browser, and from all Tor-related apps/projects/community members that choose to support this contract, is to offer a free version always, and then a pro/premium pay version, or a "pay what you can" option, that is functionality equivalent. That way, novice users will always have access without any impediments due to their economic situation. This is also a model that I would like to adopt for Orbot and Orfox, and any app store that offers a built-in, easy payment system. Again, users would not be required to use this, but for people who already opt-in and are comfortable providing their payment information, then it is an easy way for Tor projects to gain sustainable grassroots support.
On the hardware front, we are already working with Copperhead to sell premium-priced Nexus phones flashed with their open-source OS, that may someday have Orbot built into it. Copperhead offers their ROM free of charge for anyone to flash to a Nexus device, but again, that is a very serious impediment for non-technical users. What I am trying to setup there is a "buy one, give one" program, or again, a "pay what you can" system, that is backed by those who can afford to donate money along with their purchases.
Here's an attempt to reword to capture my thinking:
- Our tools are universally available to access, use, adapt, and distribute
Ok with the rewording here.
Perhaps we could define "universally available" a bit more to ensure that in includes non-technical end-users? This means that we are talking about more than just "we publish the source code".
Best, Nathan