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Hey Isabela, I'm Liam! <br>
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I'm good for anytime. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/4/2016 12:36 PM, Isabela wrote:<br>
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Hi Jag! And everyone else :)<br>
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First let me introduce myself - my name is Isabela and I am
Project Manager at Tor. I helped facilitate the discussions during
the last Dev Meeting in Berlin about redesigning the website:<br>
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href="https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website/MainSiteRedesign">https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website/MainSiteRedesign</a><br>
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Part of the reason this discussion haven't moved is my fault - I
got really busy with our first crowdfunding campaign (yay!) and
only now I can pick up this conversation again. <br>
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Jag, I apologize for the lack of response to your email. Your
comments are right in line with what we are thinking here and is
great to know you are excited about this project! We do hope to
count with the community help on it.<br>
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I want to schedule some time for us to chat on IRC so we can
better organize this effort. As everyone might imagine this is a
big effort where we will be touching a lot of content and things
can get messy pretty fast.<br>
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I would like to coordinate this project using trac and irc, get
tickets going to follow up on tasks and also organize a periodic
irc meeting for us to check in.<br>
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I thought of a set of tasks that will help us get started - all of
them are child tickets of #18243:<br>
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1. ticket #18244 - Map all content of torproject.org so we can
organize what stays, what goes to another sites (e.g.
dev.torproject.org) etc.<br>
2. ticket #18245 - Help on getting different mocks of the site
based on Berlin's discussion - we want to think of different
approaches before we decide which one we will do<br>
3. Update wiki, so its easier for people to understand this effort
and how they can help. <br>
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As part of the discussion in Berlin we also decided on having a
review process, which we hope to scale to include localization
review as well. This process is described on 'How to contribute'
part of the wiki:<br>
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href="https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website#Howtocontribute">https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website#Howtocontribute</a><br>
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We should discuss how to implement it, we could get help from our
UX team as well.<br>
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So lets organize this irc meeting? I would love to hear your
suggestions as well. Let's meet and chat what else we should be
doing or what can be improved in this process for us to get this
project done.<br>
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Please help pick up a time to meet:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://doodle.com/poll/wfct3hx8hv566qi3">http://doodle.com/poll/wfct3hx8hv566qi3</a><br>
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I hope I am not dropping a bomb (!) with so much info, but I was
eager to get this going and as you can see I've been thinking
about it.<br>
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Lets schedule a chat next week!<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Isabela<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/16/2015 02:29 PM, Jag Talon
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a good idea to try posting mockups on the wiki based on the
brainstorming session to see what people like?</div>
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<p class="airmail_on">On December 13, 2015 at 12:27:20 PM, Jag
Talon (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jag@jagtalon.com">jag@jagtalon.com</a>) wrote:</p>
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<div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">It
seems that there’s been some discussion about
redesigning the main website a little while back in <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2015SummerDevMeeting">2015SummerDevMeeting</a> that
brainstorming
sessions were made and mockups were posted in</span> <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/Website/MainSiteRedesign">Trac</a>.</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> T</span>hat got me
pretty excited!</div>
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<div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">However
looking at the issues on the wiki, there doesn’t
seem to be anything related to the new redesign of
the site. I think we should start planning and
making the redesign sooner rather than later—not
just for the sake of making it look pretty, but to
communicate better to people (as you all are very
well aware of!):</div>
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<div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">- <b>Simplifying
for
new users.</b> I agree with the mockup<span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span>for removing
the recent blog posts because the page seems like is
trying to both give old users updates and convince
new users to use Tor which ends up cluttering the
page. Not having updates and keeping it simple on
the introductory page is a common aesthetic on <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://imgur.com/a/YWFZK">modern product
websites</a></span>. </div>
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<div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">An
alternative to “User Stories” could be a bunch of
quotes from users such as Molly Crabapple which you
guys have done wonderfully on <span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://twitter.com/torproject/status/674682349771190272">Twitter</a>.
I think this allows people to have more of an
emotional connection with Tor. </span>We could
probably even go as far as merging both “Use
Stories” and the “Why” sections into <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://imgur.com/7DoQ2Xm">one section</a> if
we wanted to simplify the website even further.</div>
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style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
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<div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">- <b>Explaining
why donations matter.</b> Right now the donate
button is just … well ... a button. Explaining why
people should donate to Tor is also important.
Seeing something like <span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0);"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://imgur.com/bklC9DM">this</a></span> from
Brain Pickings shows you that it’s easy to donate,
and that your money is worth a lot when it comes to
helping out. The emotion factor of that sidebar vs a
button that says “donate” is huge.</div>
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<div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">Now
this is just the main page, and there’s definitely a
lot of work to be done as witnessed by the <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://codepen.seesparkbox.com/">redesign
work in other companies</a>!</span> I know that
there are some excited people in Tor as well, and
I’d like to help out if that’s possible. A little
about me: I’m Jag Talon, and I work for DuckDuckGo
making some <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://medium.com/@juantalon/building-the-developer-pages-consistent-styling-1b91a27c5612#.5sfv8bjks">front-end
stuffs</a></span>. I have the experience that I
think would help in a redesign like this, and I have
some free time to do it as well.</div>
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<div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">I
think a good first step would be to have the core
Tor people to sketch out their ideas and for them to
say what would make this redesign a success so that
we have an idea on what things the design should
prioritize on. What do you think?</div>
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Talon</div>
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