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    On 9/2/2011 9:28 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:4E60E813.1060409@gmx.com" type="cite">On
      9/2/2011 7:55 AM, Achter Lieber wrote:
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      <blockquote type="cite">----- Original Message -----
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        From: Roger Dingledine
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        Sent: 09/01/11 03:47 PM
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        To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tor-talk@lists.torproject.org">tor-talk@lists.torproject.org</a>
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        Subject: [tor-talk] Dutch CA issues fake *.torproject.org cert
        (among many others)
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        &nbsp; New bundles are out now:
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://blog.torproject.org/blog/new-tor-browser-bundles-4">https://blog.torproject.org/blog/new-tor-browser-bundles-4</a>
        Perhaps now is a great time for you to learn how to verify the
        signatures on Tor packages you download:
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.torproject.org/docs/verifying-signatures">https://www.torproject.org/docs/verifying-signatures</a>
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      Is it really a risk, d/l&nbsp; Tor or TBB directly from Tor Project's
      site, that verifying signatures is necessary?&nbsp; What is the
      reasoning here - if getting files from Tor Project server?
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    I believe that the point of Roger's message was that you or I may
    not really be downloading the package from TorProject, if we are
    using SSL that is authenticated to a fake certificate.<br>
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    I do not use a Mac, but I was able to use GPA and Kleopatra in
    Windows to verify that the bundles I downloaded were signed by
    Erinn.&nbsp; <br>
    In &lt;<span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size:
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        <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.torproject.org/docs/verifying-signatures">https://www.torproject.org/docs/verifying-signatures</a>&gt;

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    <p> the procedure for verification spelled out for use on a Mac
      should work to verify files containing Windows code.The procedure
      applies to the verification computer, not the target computer.<br>
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    <p>David Carlson<br>
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