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<span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Sent: 08/09/11 03:18 PM</span></span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Subject: Re: [tor-talk] New Tool Keeps Censors in the Dark - mentions Tor.</span></span></p>
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after reading all ur conversation...<br />
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for me i didnt understand a very important thing :<br />
how come a software or tools as Telex and is not anonymity??????<br />
because the most of blocked sites by the governments are restricted also and censored...<br />
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so i dont think a software like Telex can work against these governments cause no body is ready to loose his freedom....<br />
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couldn't resist - sorry<br />
"cause no body is ready to loose his freedom..."<br />
we're already losing our freedoms<br />
tor is about running and hiding<br />
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thx<br />
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> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:34:34 +0800<br />
> From: <a href="mailto:jmmrchrdsn@gmail.com" >jmmrchrdsn@gmail.com</a><br />
> To: <a href="mailto:tor-talk@lists.torproject.org" >tor-talk@lists.torproject.org</a><br />
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] New Tool Keeps Censors in the Dark - mentions Tor.<br />
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> On 8/9/2011 5:44 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote:<br />
> > On 8/8/2011 8:16 AM, Jimmy Richardson wrote:<br />
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> >> On 8/8/2011 5:03 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:<br />
> >>> On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 10:41:50AM +0800, Jimmy Richardson wrote:<br />
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> >>>> Google AppEngine provides a platform which can be used to run your own<br />
> >>>> proxy servers for free, Gtalk supports XMPP which can also be used to<br />
> >>>> circumvent censorship.<br />
> >>> Google actively cooperates with US authorities regardless of user's<br />
> >>> geography, so using Google's infrastructure for anonymity is an<br />
> >>> oxymoron.<br />
> >><br />
> >> I agree, but again, we were talking about anti-censorship, not<br />
> >> anonymity. Frankly people in China or Iran has much more to fear from<br />
> >> their own government than from US authorities.<br />
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> > Jimmy, though you have some valid points, I think you missed my point<br />
> > entirely (possibly some other posters').<br />
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> Actually I do see your point, as I have said, we have different<br />
> assumptions regarding how censor would react to anti-censorship<br />
> activities, let's just agree to disagree here. But even under your<br />
> assumption, I don't see the reason to bash Google here. True, Google<br />
> could sell you out to governments, but so could any company (for example<br />
> your ISP). The difference between Google and your average company is: a.<br />
> Google actually made a stand against censorship, and suffered the<br />
> retaliation; b. Google is providing computation resources for free. If<br />
> you want privacy/anonymity, you just need to code encryption routines<br />
> for the proxy you run on Google's AppEngine, it's no different from the<br />
> suggestion to run Tor over Telex. And for the free service they provided<br />
> against censorship, we should be thanking Google (and Telex if it gets<br />
> built). As far as I can see, Tor is already losing against the censors,<br />
> I think Tor should welcome some help in fighting against them.<br />
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