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after reading all ur conversation...<BR><br><BR>for me i didnt understand a very important thing :<BR>how come a software or tools as Telex and is not anonymity??????<BR>because the most of blocked sites by the governments are restricted also and censored...<BR><br><BR>so i dont think a software like Telex can work against these governments cause no body is ready to loose his freedom....<br><BR><br><BR>thx<BR><br><div>> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:34:34 +0800<br>> From: jmmrchrdsn@gmail.com<br>> To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org<br>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] New Tool Keeps Censors in the Dark - mentions Tor.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> On 8/9/2011 5:44 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote:<br>> > On 8/8/2011 8:16 AM, Jimmy Richardson wrote:<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On 8/8/2011 5:03 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:<br>> >>> On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 10:41:50AM +0800, Jimmy Richardson wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>>> Google AppEngine provides a platform which can be used to run your own<br>> >>>> proxy servers for free, Gtalk supports XMPP which can also be used to<br>> >>>> circumvent censorship.<br>> >>> Google actively cooperates with US authorities regardless of user's<br>> >>> geography, so using Google's infrastructure for anonymity is an <br>> >>> oxymoron.<br>> >><br>> >> I agree, but again, we were talking about anti-censorship, not <br>> >> anonymity. Frankly people in China or Iran has much more to fear from <br>> >> their own government than from US authorities.<br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >><br>> > Jimmy, though you have some valid points, I think you missed my point <br>> > entirely (possibly some other posters').<br>> ><br>> <br>> Actually I do see your point, as I have said, we have different <br>> assumptions regarding how censor would react to anti-censorship <br>> activities, let's just agree to disagree here. But even under your <br>> assumption, I don't see the reason to bash Google here. True, Google <br>> could sell you out to governments, but so could any company (for example <br>> your ISP). The difference between Google and your average company is: a. <br>> Google actually made a stand against censorship, and suffered the <br>> retaliation; b. Google is providing computation resources for free. If <br>> you want privacy/anonymity, you just need to code encryption routines <br>> for the proxy you run on Google's AppEngine, it's no different from the <br>> suggestion to run Tor over Telex. And for the free service they provided <br>> against censorship, we should be thanking Google (and Telex if it gets <br>> built). As far as I can see, Tor is already losing against the censors, <br>> I think Tor should welcome some help in fighting against them.<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> tor-talk mailing list<br>> tor-talk@lists.torproject.org<br>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk<br></div> </div></body>
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