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Mr. Blue wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">> You better BET that if anyone is
against censorship, then I AM in a<br>
> FIRST LINE!<br>
> Being free and anonym is a main reason why I like Tor, so I could<br>
> get rid of those greedy I-see-all govs eyes.<br>
><br>
> But even THIS world MUST have some rules.<br>
> Do you have rules in your own house where you live?<br>
> Imagine it without them.</span><br>
Yes, and this is, given the limits of technology, best left to the<br>
realm of The Good Lord to handle ( the rules are in The Bible if only<br>
people would abide by them. There is something that the vast majority<br>
of people fail to take into consideration, and that is the fact that<br>
evil exists in this world. It does, and while we cannot endorse it,<br>
or go along with it, we do have to tolerate it in as much as we cannot<br>
prevent it without actually hurting ourselves in the process<br>
(reference the quote of Thomas Paine).<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">><br>
> Now, I personally don't care if someone use Tor to hack someone,
rob<br>
> a bank online, commit credit card fraud, or hack any other
site...<br>
> or anything similar.<br>
> Main reason/point is because ALL those targets have ABILITY to<br>
> actually DO defend themselves!</span><br>
Far as the banks go, especially the central banks go I agree because<br>
they are the author of more evil in this world than any individual<br>
pedophile. In fact, if you do enough research on the subject, you<br>
will find that they are behind a lot of the promotion of pedophilia.<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">><br>
> Poor kids DON'T!!!</span><br>
True, and it's up to their parents to defend them from the predators.<br>
Anyone that believes the state will defend them has a screw loose.<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">><br>
> And solving this problem by simply shouting out "I am neutral I
just<br>
> care for Tor" and dare to consider problem solved is totally
stupid<br>
> and SELFISH act.</span><br>
I don't think anyone is taking that stance. Personally, I believe<br>
that there is no good solution to the problem. Any active attacks<br>
upon those people via hacking ect... will establish a precedent of<br>
censorship on the Tor network, and will come back to haunt the<br>
legitimate users of Tor.<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">><br>
> Even I AGREE that censorship is NOT a solution to this problem,<br>
> because it would cripple Tor, so Tor wouldn't be what it was
meant<br>
> to be from beginning.</span><br>
There you go, you see the principle, but because you feel so strongly<br>
about the reprehensible acts of a minority of users of Tor, you are<br>
willing to violate the principle. It takes a lot of backbone to stand<br>
on a principle, especially if by doing so acts that you do not<br>
condone, and believe are evil incarnate are not prevented. Taking a<br>
stand on principle often means incurring a lot of pain, not only upon<br>
yourself, but upon others that you care about.<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">><br>
> Point is that pedophiles are on OUR territory once they are here<br>
> which doesn't mean we need to report them to authorities (and
choose<br>
> one side in a process how some are claiming).<br>
> We can nail them silently by ourselves, and make theirs life a
hell<br>
> in a process.<br>
> Rob them, hack them, expose them (to theirs relatives,
newspapers,<br>
> anonym "vocie" to police etc..)..., you name it!<br>
> All options are opened... and in this process we don't need to
abide<br>
> to any laws.</span><br>
I will remind you here that two wrongs do not make a right. I confess<br>
that I do not have a solution that will not violate the rights of<br>
other Tor users, or should they take an active role in attacking the<br>
pedophiles, protect them from prosecution. Regardless of the fact<br>
that they might be hacking pedophiles computers, their hacking would<br>
still subject them to prosecution by the authorities of most, perhaps<br>
all countries. So, given that, and other facts I've presented, the<br>
only solution I can see it that the Tor network issue a strong<br>
statement decrying the pedophiles, and other criminal elements using<br>
the Tor network, and leave the investigating and prosecuting to the<br>
("semi") legitimate authorities. Given that I've worked in law<br>
enforcement for most of my life, and realize how little protection it<br>
provides (more often than not, it provides oppression and persecution<br>
to those it's supposed to protect, and protection to those it's<br>
supposed to investigate and prosecute) that says a lot. or should
anyway.<br>
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