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- -- Michael Holstein <michael.holstein@csuohio.edu> wrote:

>> What about the Department of the Navy that initially funded it?  I
>> wonder if it was pointed out in these meeting that it was the DoD that
>> wanted this in the first place through the Office of Naval Research
>> and DARPA?
>
>Simple. It's okay for them to be sneaky to avoid *US* (the citizens) 
from knowing what they're up to, but *NOT* okay when we try to hide from 
them.
>
><TINFOIL HAT>
>It's the .. "you shouldn't mind if we're listening if you don't have 
something to hide..." mentality that I've been told from many an $agency.
></TINFOIL HAT>
>
>Keep in mind these are the same folks that think we should keep 
>subscriber records for 3 years (and give them a key to our wiring 
closets) but stall like crazy when they get a FOIA request.
>

This reminds me of similar conversation on the cypherpunk list
back in 1992/93 w.r.t. Clipper/Capstone -- you can't put the
genie back in the bottle.

$.02,

- - ferg

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