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<tt>Yeah. Go I2p and tor rendezvous! Seriously though, someone on EFF
or IETF's payroll has got to be willing and able to go over there and
check it out. If these orgs REALLY want to know what's going on over
there and help people, they need current, reliable information, right?</tt><br>
<br>
Matt Thorne wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid5c4c375e0511151506t2fda4a79x9d7c257dc374e506@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I Would be willing to bet that the most effective P2P over there
(behind the wall) are Darknets.
as briefly mentioned here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cio.com/archive/110105/tl_filesharing.html?action=print">http://www.cio.com/archive/110105/tl_filesharing.html?action=print</a>
and
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.darknet.com/darknets/">http://www.darknet.com/darknets/</a>
I was just thinking about how I would go about finding information on
best anonymity practices in china, but realized that information would
probably be hard to come by. The ones that failed probably arent able
to be talked about (stupid censorship), and the ones that are working
probably aren't advertised anywhere.
Brings to mind bashing my head up against a wall... so let the head
bashing commence...
-=Matt=-
On 11/15/05, ADB <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:firefox-gen@walala.org"><firefox-gen@walala.org></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Has the EFF sent anyone to China to check this out and hopefully get some
more details? It would be especially interesting to find out what the
situation is for other P2P and anonymity networks w/in china. If they are
alive, how? If they got canned, what were their mistakes that lead to it?
~Andrew
Matt Thorne wrote:
most of the censoring, in china at least, is done automatically with
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->no
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">human intervention. In my statement I ment that having an exit node
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->behind
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the firewall would give us the same restrictions that they are
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->having to
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">deal with right now. for most people that really wouldn't
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->impact their lives
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">that much, except that there would be some pages
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->that you counldn't view,
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">and some messages that you couldn't send.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!----> BUT.
there is always a but,
We,
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">for the most part, are from countires that don't have restrictions
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->on
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">speach, so we would set off all of the flags that the censoring
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->software was
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">looking for, and the ISP would be ordered to cut the
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->connection pretty
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">quickly. Personally I don't think that an exit or
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->entry server would last
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">more than 5 minutes on china's web.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
On 11/14/05, Bob <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:monfster@gmail.com"><monfster@gmail.com></a>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">wrote:
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Well, the faq says "If you want to avoid most if not all abuse
potential,
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->set it to "reject *:*". This is called being a "middleman" node."
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">- but can
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->that also be an Entry node?
However, I think someone running any
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">type of tor SERVER node behind the
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Great Firewall would have a lot more to
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">worry about than just pissing off
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->their isp...
-----Original
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Message-----
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owner-or-talk@freehaven.net">owner-or-talk@freehaven.net</a>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:owner-or-talk@freehaven.net">mailto:owner-or-talk@freehaven.net</a>] On
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Behalf Of ADB
Sent:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Monday, November 14, 2005 2:09 PM
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:or-talk@freehaven.net">or-talk@freehaven.net</a>
Subject: Re: Tor
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">limitation
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
OK. I was going to say, "Tor should be able to get through it!".
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">The point
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->is, if you have a bunch of tor nodes, especially geographically
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">disparate
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->ones, the load should be spread out, no?
Are they default-allow or
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">default-deny over there?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Bob wrote:
I think there was a tag missing - I
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">think it was:
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
<Sarcasm>yes I really want to use an exit node that is
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">located
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->behind the
great
firewall...</Sarcasm>
-----Original
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Message-----
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!----> From:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owner-or-talk@freehaven.net">owner-or-talk@freehaven.net</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:owner-or-talk@freehaven.net">mailto:owner-or-talk@freehaven.net</a>]
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!----> Behalf Of Arrakistor
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 1:34 PM
To: Matt
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Thorne
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!----> Subject: Re[2]: Tor limitation
Hello Matt,
Somehow, I don't
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">think China will kindly look upon those running
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Tor
servers inside their
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">country. Infact, I am concerned about
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->the
integrity of Tor servers which
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">have data passing through
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Chinese
servers, as it seems hard to believe
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">their government would allow
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->them
to exist without their approval.
Has
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">anyone else had such concerns, or any answers to such concerns?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Regards,
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">ST
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Monday, November 14, 2005, 3:18:21 PM, you wrote:
yes I really
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">want to use an exit node that is located behind
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->the great
firewall...
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On 11/14/05, ADB <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:firefox-gen@walala.org"><firefox-gen@walala.org></a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!----><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:firefox-gen@walala.org"><mailto:firefox-gen@walala.org></a>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">wrote:
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Here's an easy solution for our buddies under commie
control: SET
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">UP MORE
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!----> TOR EXIT NODE & DIR SERVERS! It's not tha hard! ;)
~Andrew
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Darren Griffith wrote:
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!----> Many of the Chinese who are using tor
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">are
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->complaining that it is too
slow to
be usable by them. I imagine
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">that those who feel
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->they need to
use this
program don't mind it being
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">at about dial-up speeds.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
I'm in Beijing and I'm happy that Tor is
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">there when
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->I need it. In
fact,
en.wikipedia.org is now blocked by my
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">ISP, so Tor is
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->almost
essential. But
yes, it's pretty slow, though I'm
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">patient. Only
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->lately,
I'm consistently
getting DNS lookup failures,
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">and that's what's
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->mostly
eroding my experience
of using Tor all the
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">time. (I know I should
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
change the config of my client
to give more
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">logging info so I can
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
track down this bad exit node, but I
haven't
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">made the effort yet.)
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
--
Darren Paul
Griffith
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