[tor-talk] Appearing American

[mirimir]

On 08/23/2013 10:13 PM, Nima wrote:

> mirimir:
>> On 08/23/2013 05:27 PM, mick wrote:
> 
>>> On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:41:13 -0400 Nathan Suchy
>>> <theusernameiwantistaken at gmail.com> allegedly wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd beg to differ. There are very good VPN providers that keep 
>>>> absolutely no logs so you would have anonymity in that case.
>>>
>>> How do you pay for them? Bitcoin?
>>>
>>> (Serious question. But, I recognise, off-topic.)
> 
>> It's actually on topic, at least somewhat.
> 
>> Yes, you can pay with Bitcoins. But first, you must anonymize them 
>> through multiple mixing services, via Tor. Otherwise, Bitcoins are
>> not at all anonymous, because all transactions are in the
>> blockchain.
> 
>> Multibit clients work well over Tor. They're local, but they don't 
>> download the blockchain. You can easily run them in Whonix etc. 
>> Reputable mixing services include http://bitlaundry.appspot.com/, 
>> http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion/ and http://6fgd4togcynxyclb.onion/.
> 
>> You can also pay for VPN services by mailing cash.
> 
> 
> And you've to trust those VPN providers to stay true to their words
> and keep their promises for not keeping *any* log. And then... you've
> to pray they wouldn't get tapped, keep their traffic secure, etc etc.
> 
> Privacy by design vs privacy by promise

We're talking here about tunnelling VPNs through Tor, so the VPN
provider knows nothing about you, except from the money trail.