Broadband Reports: Tor Network Bogged Down by P2P

[Ben Wilhelm]

No, because as a midpoint node, you have no way of knowing where the 
data is coming from or going to - besides "the computer that just 
connected to you" and "the computer that you're about to connect to".

-Ben

Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, jed c wrote:
> 
> Well, tor allows you to block exit traffic.  Is there also a way to 
> block *transit* traffic?
> 
> -Dan
> 
> 
>> Guess I spoke to soon (without thinking).
>>
>> --- Ben Wilhelm <zorba at pavlovian.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So, um, how exactly do you track how much bandwidth
>>> each user is using
>>> on a network whose sole goal is anonymization?
>>
>>
>> I was thinking about something on the user side. I
>> don't know how many users would edit the source code
>> to get around something like this.
>>
>>>
>>> And then let's associate that information with a
>>> server that's supposed
>>> to have an admin email contact available.
>>
>>
>> I understand that tor is about privacy and anonimity.
>>
>>>
>>> -Ben
>>>
>>> jed c wrote:
>>>
>>>> The solution seems simple to me. Anyone using huge
>>>> amounts of bandwidth should be required to run a
>>>
>>> tor
>>>
>>>> router.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Chris Palmer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Forwarded message from John Gilmore
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <gnu at toad.com> -----
>>>>
>>>>>> From: John Gilmore <gnu at toad.com>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:40:18 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: [E-IP] Broadband Reports: Tor Network
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bogged Down by P2P
>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/68438
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some time ago our security regulars broke down
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>
>>>> logistics behind
>>>>
>>>>>> Tor, an anonymity tool from the Electronic
>>>
>>> Frontier
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Foundation. It was
>>>>
>>>>>> designed for whistle-blowers, political
>>>
>>> dissidents,
>>>
>>>>
>>>> researchers, and
>>>>
>>>>>> others concerned about exchanging information
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> without authoritarian
>>>>
>>>>>> backlash. Sadly network performance is being
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> jeopardized by
>>>>
>>>>>> file-traders looking to evade the RIAA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> File traders have been reconfiguring their Bit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Torrent clients to take
>>>>
>>>>>> advantage of the network. Unfortunately the Tor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> network wasn't
>>>>
>>>>>> designed with high volume porn transfer in mind,
>>>
>>> so
>>>
>>>>
>>>> the activity is
>>>>
>>>>>> slowing it down to a crawl. The likely result
>>>
>>> will
>>>
>>>>
>>>> be the EFF running
>>>>
>>>>>> against the grain of their mandate, and
>>>
>>> restricting
>>>
>>>>
>>>> network use.
>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bah, I see no problem with using it to evade the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RIAA.  sure, it sucks
>>>>
>>>>> for us Tor people who use it for what is was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> intended for.  It just
>>>>
>>>>> means we need more nodes, and we need to grow more
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> to support this
>>>>
>>>>> demand.  I'm all for giving the finger to "the
>>>
>>> man."
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's time for Tor to expand, not regulate.  And if
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> expansions isn't
>>>>
>>>>> possible, just let it suck!  I can't imagine many
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> fileshare people will
>>>>
>>>>> cleave unto dial-up speeds with their broadband...
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once they learn that
>>>>
>>>>> it sucks to use Tor, they'll stop.  We need
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> knee-jerk decisions in this
>>>>
>>>>> project like we need knee-jerk political
>>>
>>> actions...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But, that's just my $0.02
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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