Hacker strikes through student's router

loki tiwaz loki_tiwaz at hotmail.com
Fri Nov 11 10:47:24 UTC 2005


i really like that idea. there's plenty of specifications around the place 
about how to set up secure electronic cash systems based on asymmetric 
cryptography. if tor were to integrate it into its infrastructure, this 
would mitigate the cost side of the node running business, and it would 
definitely increase the implementation of tor nodes. if your packets have 
tor-cash attached to them, they are put in the top bucket, if they are not, 
they go in the low priority bucket. people will learn pretty fast.

or how about don't bother with the electronic cash thing, make a protocol 
which signifies that the packet originated from a tor server and have these 
packets prioritised. then the p2p folks will be more likely to set up nodes 
(being that they mostly have bulk bandwidth, they are a good target) will 
set up more nodes because of the advantage of the bandwidth being more 
available to them if they run a node.


>From: cyphrpunk <cyphrpunk at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: or-talk at freehaven.net
>To: or-talk at freehaven.net
>Subject: Re: Hacker strikes through student's router
>Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:45:45 -0800
>
>On 11/10/05, Anthony DiPierro <or at inbox.org> wrote:
> > Of course, that said, you should probably get permission from your ISP
> > before you run a wifi hotspot.  And it's perfectly reasonable for a
> > university to ban students from setting up free/open wifi hotspots.  And
> > those who run open wifi hotspots probably have to deal with abuse 
>complaints
> > on a regular basis.
> >
> > One of the reasons companies go through all this is because they think
> > (reasonably in most circumstances) that they can profit from it.  If 
>only we
> > could figure out how to really spread anonymous e-money.  Then we could
> > really start spreading Tor.
>
>What if we had a Tor network where exit node operators made Tor-money,
>and Tor-money was necessary to use the network? Or perhaps, Tor-money
>at least gave you priority in using the network, so all those P2P
>traders wouldn't slow you down so much? Maybe exit node operators
>could even sell their Tor-money for real cash, to potential Tor users.
>
>People tend to have two contradictory views about proposals like this.
>One is that such a Tor network would never work, because people would
>prefer to use the free one. The other is that free Tor networks will
>never work, because no one will take the heat to run an exit node.
>
>The point is that this proposal cuts the knot and creates a
>self-sustaining Tor-style network, one which rewards people who take
>the risk of running exit nodes, just as in Anthony's example about
>WiFi hotspots.
>
>One technical problem is verifying that a particular exit node is
>legit, so that its operator can get his Tor-bucks. It might be enough
>to put Tor-money in the packet so that the last node receives it, but
>then he could skim the cash without performing the service of letting
>the packets go out. Still, this would be easily detected and users
>could blacklist exit nodes which didn't perform, so it might be
>adequate.
>
>Obviously an ecash-integrated Tor network is an ambitious project, but
>it is something to think about if Tor starts running into problems
>with people not wanting to run exit nodes.
>
>CP

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