<html><head></head><body><div class="ydpa1a2d112yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div>Georg,</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">>> Are there any "Issues" submitted for a similar change to Concensus Weight and Relay Probability to Tor Metrics on Onionoo? It appears these values are still only being reported for a Single Tor Node.</span><br clear="none" style="font-size: 18px;"><br clear="none" style="font-size: 18px;"><span style="font-size: 18px;">> Hrm, good question. I don't think so and I am not sure yet, whether we </span><br clear="none" style="font-size: 18px;"><span style="font-size: 18px;">should make such a change.</span><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">Do you mind me asking what the reluctance might be to extending Tor Metrics to include correct reporting of Concensus Weight and Relay Probability for Loadbalanced Tor Relays? It would provide a more accurate assessment of Tor Network Resources and assist DirectoryAuthorities in making more informed decisions.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">I would be happy to open an "Issue" on the topic for official Request For Consideration.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">Thank you and the Tor Metrics Team for all that you do in improving the Tor Network.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">Respectfully,</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div>Gary</div><div class="ydpa1a2d112signature">—<br>This Message Originated by the Sun.<br>iBigBlue 63W Solar Array (~12 Hour Charge)<br>+ 2 x Charmast 26800mAh Power Banks<br>= iPhone XS Max 512GB (~2 Weeks Charged)</div></div>
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On Friday, March 4, 2022, 12:22:06 AM MST, Georg Koppen <gk@torproject.org> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Gary C. New via tor-relays:<br clear="none">> Georg,<br clear="none">> Yes! That is precisely it!<br clear="none">> Please know that the change appears to be working with my loadbalanced Tor Relay deployment as well.<br clear="none">> Are there any "Issues" submitted for a similar change to Concensus Weight and Relay Probability to Tor Metrics on Onionoo? It appears these values are still only being reported for a Single Tor Node.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Hrm, good question. I don't think so and I am not sure yet, whether we <br clear="none">should make such a change.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> A BIG Thank You to the Tor Metrics Team for the Issue-40022 implementation.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">You are welcome. It seems, though, the implementation was not correct. <br clear="none">We therefore reverted it for now. However, we are on it. :)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Georg<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Respectfully,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Gary—<br clear="none">> This Message Originated by the Sun.<br clear="none">> iBigBlue 63W Solar Array (~12 Hour Charge)<br clear="none">> + 2 x Charmast 26800mAh Power Banks<br clear="none">> = iPhone XS Max 512GB (~2 Weeks Charged)<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Thursday, March 3, 2022, 1:28:12 PM MST, Georg Koppen <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:gk@torproject.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">gk@torproject.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Gary C. New via tor-relays:<br clear="none">>> David,<br clear="none">>> Has Tor Metrics implemented your RFC related to Written Bytes per Second and Read Bytes per Second on Onionoo?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> That's probably<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/network-health/metrics/onionoo/-/issues/40022" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/network-health/metrics/onionoo/-/issues/40022</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> , no?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Georg<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> As of the 27th of February, I've noticed a change in reporting that accurately reflects the aggregate of my Tor Relay Nodes opposed to the previously reported Single Tor Node. Are you seeing a similar change for snowflake.torproject.org?<br clear="none">>> Additionally, other than the hourly stacktrace errors in the syslog, the secure_onion_key workaround seems to be working well without any ill side-effects. I've been able to operate with the same secure_onion_key for close to 5 weeks, now. Have you run into any issues?<br clear="none">>> Thank you for your response.<br clear="none">>> Respectfully,<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Gary—<br clear="none">>> This Message Originated by the Sun.<br clear="none">>> iBigBlue 63W Solar Array (~12 Hour Charge)<br clear="none">>> + 2 x Charmast 26800mAh Power Banks<br clear="none">>> = iPhone XS Max 512GB (~2 Weeks Charged)<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 11:49:47 PM MST, Gary C. New via tor-relays <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> David,<br clear="none">>> Excellent Documentation and References!<br clear="none">>> I hope the proposed RFC's (auth, key, and metrics) for loadbalanced Tor topologies are seriously considered and implemented by Tor Core and Tor Metrics.<br clear="none">>> Great Work!<br clear="none">>> Respectfully,<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Gary—<br clear="none">>> This Message Originated by the Sun.<br clear="none">>> iBigBlue 63W Solar Array (~12 Hour Charge)<br clear="none">>> + 2 x Charmast 26800mAh Power Banks<br clear="none">>> = iPhone XS Max 512GB (~2 Weeks Charged)<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 10:02:53 AM MST, David Fifield <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:david@bamsoftware.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">david@bamsoftware.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> The load-balanced Snowflake bridge is running in production since<br clear="none">>> 2022-01-31. Thanks Roger, Gary, Roman for your input.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Hopefully reproducible installation instructions:<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/team/-/wikis/Survival-Guides/Snowflake-Bridge-Installation-Guide?version_id=6de6facbb0fd047de978a561213c59224511445f" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/team/-/wikis/Survival-Guides/Snowflake-Bridge-Installation-Guide?version_id=6de6facbb0fd047de978a561213c59224511445f</a><br clear="none">>> Observations since:<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://bugs.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowflake/40095#note_2774428" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://bugs.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowflake/40095#note_2774428</a><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Metrics graphs are currently confused by multiple instances of tor<br clear="none">>> uploading descriptors under the same fingerprint. Particularly in the<br clear="none">>> interval between 2022-01-25 and 2022-02-03, when a production bridge and<br clear="none">>> staging bridge were running in parallel, with four instances being used<br clear="none">>> and another four being mostly unused.<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/5481936581E23D2D178105D44DB6915AB06BFB7F" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/5481936581E23D2D178105D44DB6915AB06BFB7F</a><br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-transport.html?start=2021-11-10&end=2022-02-08&transport=snowflake" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-transport.html?start=2021-11-10&end=2022-02-08&transport=snowflake</a><br clear="none">>> Since 2022-02-03, it appears that Metrics is showing only one of the<br clear="none">>> four running instances per day. Because all four instances are about<br clear="none">>> equally used (as if load balanced, go figure), the values on the graph<br clear="none">>> are 1/4 what they should be. The reported bandwidth of 5 MB/s is<br clear="none">>> actually 20 MB/s, and the 2500 clients are actually 10000. All the<br clear="none">>> necessary data are present in Collector, it's just a question of data<br clear="none">>> processing. I opened an issue for the Metrics graphs, where you can also<br clear="none">>> see some manually made graphs that are closer to the true values.<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://bugs.torproject.org/tpo/network-health/metrics/onionoo/40022" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://bugs.torproject.org/tpo/network-health/metrics/onionoo/40022</a><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> I started a thread on tor-dev about the issues of onion key rotation and<br clear="none">>> ExtORPort authentication.<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2022-February/thread.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2022-February/thread.html</a><br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">>> tor-relays mailing list<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><div class="ydpa1a2d112yqt1925134656" id="ydpa1a2d112yqtfd33281"><br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">>> tor-relays mailing list<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">>> tor-relays mailing list<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> tor-relays mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> tor-relays mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="ydpa1a2d112yqt1925134656" id="ydpa1a2d112yqtfd68200">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">tor-relays mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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