<html><head></head><body><div class="ydpac4bb9cyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div>> <span style="font-size: 18px;">What part do you intent to load-balance and to what outcome?</span><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">My current implementation is loadbalancing Tor Relay traffic, which provides high availability and economies of scale using </span><span style="font-size: 18px;">existing, </span><span style="font-size: 18px;">cost-effective, bare metal nodes. The same approach could be extrapolated to cost-effective, virtual nodes to a similar benefit.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">I suppose the real question is the cost-benefit of deploying to multiple public addresses vs single addresses in a location? I assume that answer is dependent on resource availability and/or the needs of the Tor network (e.g., the recent need for new Tor bridges).</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">Whichever the situation, it's nice to know there are multiple solutions to Tor.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">Thank you for the overview of your Tor deployments. I hope that I have answered your question regarding my Tor implementation.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">Respectfully,</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div>Gary</div><div class="ydpac4bb9csignature">—<br>This Message Originated by the Sun.<br>iBigBlue 63W Solar Array (~12 Hour Charge)<br>+ 2 x Charmast 26800mAh Power Banks<br>= iPhone XS Max 512GB (~2 Weeks Charged)</div></div>
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On Monday, December 13, 2021, 2:20:30 AM PST, abuse--- via tor-relays <tor-relays@lists.torproject.org> wrote:
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<div>Hi Gary,<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>thanks for the warm welcome.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I am currently not performing any load-balancing between my different Tor relays or my physical/virtual servers. Having thought about it a bit, I can only see this make sense if you intend to offer .onion services. I don't. Maybe I missed something?<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I have some bare-metal servers that run multiple instances of Tor to provide multiple relays each and I have some virtual instances (KVM, VMWare) that run a single instance of Tor, providing one relay each. These are hosted at different providers all over the world (see simplified attached graphic).<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>As each relay is measured by the Tor network individually, is reachable independently and is not "critical" to the rest of the network, I don't see how load-balancing them could give me or the users of Tor a sizable benefit - as long as I am not running any hidden services. If one relay goes down, there is already an automatic switch-over to a different relay in the network. If one relay is overloaded, this is also detected and (presumably) it will be used less in the future.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>What part do you intent to load-balance and to what outcome?<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Best Regards,<br clear="none"></div><div>Kristian<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Dec 12, 2021, 15:42 by tor-relays@lists.torproject.org:<br clear="none"></div><div id="ydpac4bb9cyiv4263424815yqt27725" class="ydpac4bb9cyiv4263424815yqt2365370327"><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #93A3B8;padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px;" class="ydpac4bb9cyiv4263424815tutanota_quote"><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" class="ydpac4bb9cyiv4263424815"><div><div>Welcome to tor-relays, Kristian. It's nice to meet a fellow Tor Farmer. It sounds like you are fairly seasoned with quite an extensive deployment of Tor Relays.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Are you performing any loadbalancing with Tor Nodes or are they Individually, Distributed Tor Relays?<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I have a Single Tor Relay comprised of a number of Tor Nodes. I'm always interested in knowledge sharing related to Tor Loadbalancing.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>What are your thoughts on the Pros & Cons of dedicating resources to a Single, Loadbalanced Tor Relay vs Many, Unloadbalanced Tor Relays by a Tor Operator? Perhaps, a Hybrid approach?<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I look forward to hear more of your Tor farming practices.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Respectfully,<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Gary<br clear="none"></div><div class="ydpac4bb9cyiv4263424815"><div>—<br clear="none"></div><div>This Message Originated by the Sun.<br clear="none"></div><div>iBigBlue 63W Solar Array (~12 Hour Charge)<br clear="none"></div><div>+ 2 x Charmast 26800mAh Power Banks<br clear="none"></div><div>= iPhone XS Max 512GB (~2 Weeks Charged)<br clear="none"></div></div></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="ydpac4bb9cyiv4263424815ydpf5d8396ayahoo_quoted_0260885176" class="ydpac4bb9cyiv4263424815"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"><div>On Sunday, December 12, 2021, 1:31:09 AM PST, abuse--- via tor-relays <tor-relays@lists.torproject.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div id="ydpac4bb9cyiv4263424815ydpf5d8396ayiv4733828933"><div><div>Hello Tor relay operators,<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I joined this mail list recently and wanted to take the opportunity to shortly introduce myself.<br clear="none"></div><div>My name is Kristian, I am based in Europe, and I operate all nodes behind the domain lokodlare.com. “Lökodlare” is Swedish for “onion farmers”, which is pretty much what I do.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>My goal is to contribute to the Tor network by providing a couple of high-bandwidth nodes all over the globe, preferably at less common providers and/or in niche countries. I will focus on Middle and Guard relays, though I will throw some exits into the mix every now and then with a very reduced exit policy.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I currently operate 90+ relays and bridges with a theoretical bandwidth capacity of roughly 25 Gbit/s. As a snapshot, those nodes handled around 280 TB of Tor-related traffic in the past 24 hours.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I am looking forward to talk/discuss with all of you in the future.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thanks, have a great Sunday,<br clear="none"></div><div>Kristian<br clear="none"></div></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none"></div><div>tor-relays mailing list<br clear="none"></div><div><a shape="rect" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br clear="none"></div><div><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br clear="none"></div> </div></div><div class="ydpac4bb9cyqt2365370327" id="ydpac4bb9cyqt97327">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">tor-relays mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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