<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr">On 5 Sep 2019, at 13:01, Mike Perry <<a href="mailto:mikeperry@torproject.org">mikeperry@torproject.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div preoffsettop="767"><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="767"><span>8. I am maintaining research or other patches against tor, and rebases</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="793"><span> are difficult</span><br></blockquote></div><span></span><br><span>Again, common? I'm going to guess not common (or self-supporting), but</span><br><span>this does feel like something we could measure by checking for git</span><br><span>versions that don't make sense to us in the full descriptor archives.</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That could be hard: some distros add their own patches using git.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><a href="#" class="_AppleShowQuotedContentButton"><div style="height: 80px !important; overflow: hidden !important;"><div preoffsettop="949" preoffsetheight="156"><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="949"><blockquote type="cite"><span>How can we fix that for you, or at least, how can we make it easier to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="975"><blockquote type="cite"><span>run the very latest stable series Tor on your relay?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1001"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1027"><span>The answers are probably something like:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1053"><span>6. Provide better relay operator support, and direct me to those support</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1079"><span> channels in the log messages, when my relay fails to launch</span><br></blockquote></div></div><div class="button">Show Quoted Content</div><div style="height: 54px !important; overflow: hidden !important;"><div preoffsettop="949" preoffsetheight="156"><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="949"><blockquote type="cite"><span>How can we fix that for you, or at least, how can we make it easier to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="975"><blockquote type="cite"><span>run the very latest stable series Tor on your relay?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1001"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1027"><span>The answers are probably something like:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1053"><span>6. Provide better relay operator support, and direct me to those support</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1079"><span> channels in the log messages, when my relay fails to launch</span><br></blockquote></div></div></a><div preoffsettop="949" preoffsetheight="156" style="display: none;"><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="949"><blockquote type="cite"><span>How can we fix that for you, or at least, how can we make it easier to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="975"><blockquote type="cite"><span>run the very latest stable series Tor on your relay?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1001"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1027"><span>The answers are probably something like:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1053"><span>6. Provide better relay operator support, and direct me to those support</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1079"><span> channels in the log messages, when my relay fails to launch</span><br></blockquote></div><span></span><br><span>+1 100%. I think this will go light years towards getting rid of non-LTS</span><br><span>Tors and LTS tor's alike, regardless of reason. Then we can ask the</span><br><span>remainder.</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1235"><span>7. Support old features for longer> 8. Stop refactoring so much code</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Nah. I'm not interested in these, even if populism demands them. Some</span><br><span>shit needs to go away because it is not safe to keep around, and some</span><br><span>stuff needs to be better organized to make it easier to improve.</span></div></blockquote><br><div>I agree. But you asked for answers, so I gave them.</div><div><br></div><div>T</div></body></html>