<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">The problem (I think) is not the financial side. For a German non profit (eingetragener gemeinnütziger Verein) you need at least 7 people, lots of paperwork, going to your tax office, yearly mandatory meetings etc.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">And that’s only to fund a non profit. To run this you need a lot of labor to keep it going. A bank account and some shiny virtual medals for donors is the least of my problems.</span><div class=""><font color="#000000" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#000000" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><br class=""></span></font><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 2. Aug 2019, at 17:44, Mitar <<a href="mailto:mmitar@gmail.com" class="">mmitar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Hi!<br class=""><br class="">Yes, running a non-profit for you is not free (accounting costs, at<br class="">least). I think costs are explained well here:<br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://docs.opencollective.com/help/about/pricing" class="">https://docs.opencollective.com/help/about/pricing</a><br class=""><br class="">You can install Open Collective software on your own server and having<br class="">your own fiscal host, and then there are no costs (see the last<br class="">example in "Examples" table). So if torservers already has a<br class="">non-profit, we could just install as software on our own servers. But<br class="">I think the question is: do we have volunteers to step up and do work<br class="">so that we can have no or little overhead, or if not, we can use a<br class="">cloud service, but it costs us then 10%. I was trying to show an<br class="">option for the second approach. But if there are already people<br class="">stepping up, feel free to ignore me.<br class=""><br class="">Of course anyone else can host an instance with less platform<br class="">overhead. Or you can create an association in Germany and then become<br class="">a sponsor for Open Collective projects, but not require any fee,<br class="">lowering the overhead to 5% SaaS fee only.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Mitar<br class=""><br class="">On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 4:49 AM niftybunny<br class=""><abuse-contact@to-surf-and-protect.net> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">They want 10% ONLY for money transfer. This must be a joke. You can get a bank account for free in 5 minutes in Germany.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 2. Aug 2019, at 03:35, Mitar <mmitar@gmail.com> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">But these days I am playing with an idea that<br class="">https://opencollective.com/ might be something which would allow one<br class="">to duplicate and replicate what torservers have done without having to<br class="">struggle through all the bureaucracy of making your own association,<br class="">bank accounts and so on.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Mitar<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">tor-relays mailing list<br class="">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org<br class="">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">http://mitar.tnode.com/<br class="">https://twitter.com/mitar_m<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">tor-relays mailing list<br class="">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org<br class="">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>