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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><pre><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Olaf “</span>which you can use for your own purposes (with only 10% of the bandwidth given to Tor) <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Not worth the risk.  I did do that. I had a server with our email and old business web pages, so I wondered what should I do with the spare capacity? Hand 50% over to Tor.  Felt good.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Alas you cannot run an exit that way, as just as risky in many ways as running it from home.  It will look as your own data is coming from a Tox exit.   The ISP can kill your server at any time, and take your stuff with it. <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So you have to run it from a second IP on your server, but that costs, still risky of ISP closing it all down. I got away with it for a few years, but just last week, after an automated abuse complaint and idiotic IT team, I lost my nerve and moved that exit to another server, which was nowadays costs only a little more than second IP address.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Gerry<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'> tor-relays <tor-relays-bounces@lists.torproject.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Olaf Grimm<br><b>Sent:</b> 16 September 2018 21:58<br><b>To:</b> tor-relays@lists.torproject.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [tor-relays] New exit node<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>DigitalOzean and Vultr is new for me and I check these offers.<br><br>I want diversity. My Problem now are the languages of the provider homepages in South America. Not all of them are easy to translate with google translator. And what I can do in case of an abuse case? How to reply? Pages in Asia have an English translation.<br><br>Thanks for the recommendations. I try it.<br>A bridge with less traffic on the Philippines? Low traffic should work... Hm. Think, think... Later.<br><br>Olaf<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Am 16.09.2018 um 19:16 schrieb Matthias Fetzer:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Hello Olaf,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>OVH, DigitalOcean and Vultr have servers in Singapore.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>While this would probably add to geographic diversity,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>I am unsure if it's a good idea to run more relays<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>in those AS.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On the other hand, I run several OVH-Relays at different<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>geographi locations.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Matthias<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On 09/16/2018 05:18 PM, Olaf Grimm wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Roman, ignore this people.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Do you have an intention for a relay in APAC? I looking for a provider<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>in Asia with unlimited bandwith / traffic. I've found nothing,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Or other recommendations? Maximum of 15$ is desired.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Or South America. or Africa. Outside of Tor-overloaded areas.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Want to reach my goal of 10 relays...<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Olaf<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Am 16.09.2018 um 17:03 schrieb Roman Mamedov:<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 13:40:50 +0000<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>livak <a href="mailto:livak@protonmail.com"><livak@protonmail.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>it would be nice to find financial help to make the tor network grow faster.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre>You need to put things in perspective, and then consider how your request<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>looks to an outside observer. What you have is a relay:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> - at OVH, which is oversaturated with relays by any measure;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> - only 10 Mbit (seems hard-capped), even though you get unmetered 100 Mbit<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>   on your server;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> - IPv4-only, while OVH does provide IPv6;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>To summarize, this is the worst location to start a new relay (some would say<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>adding more relays at OVH does more harm than good), the bandwidth is capped<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ridiculously low, and you didn't even put much thought into setting it up.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>It seems that you think you found a way to set up a tiny relay on the side,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>exploit gullible people to pay you for it, and enjoy not only a paid-off<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>server (after all the fee is as low as 4 EUR per month[1]) which you can use<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>for your own purposes (with only 10% of the bandwidth given to Tor), but also<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>some free money on top.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Considering that many of us pay for multiple relays out of our own pocket --<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>actual fast ones with hundreds megabits at non-trivial locations -- and don't<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>run the first thing to the mailing list begging for money, your behavior is<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>nothing but disgusting.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>[1] <a href="https://www.kimsufi.com/fr/serveurs.xml">https://www.kimsufi.com/fr/serveurs.xml</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>tor-relays mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>tor-relays mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>