<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">One more thing …<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tkg_2004/__95.html" class="">http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tkg_2004/__95.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The law says: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11.762646675109863px; background-color: rgb(238, 241, 246);" class="">(4) Der Diensteanbieter kann im Zusammenhang mit dem Begründen und dem Ändern des Vertragsverhältnisses sowie dem Erbringen von Telekommunikationsdiensten die Vorlage eines amtlichen Ausweises verlangen, wenn dies zur Überprüfung der Angaben des Teilnehmers erforderlich ist. </span></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11.762646675109863px; background-color: rgb(238, 241, 246);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(238, 241, 246);" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.762646675109863px;" class="">We have a german law that explicit states that an ISP can demand a copy of your passport. </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(238, 241, 246);" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.762646675109863px;" class=""><br class=""></span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(238, 241, 246);" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.762646675109863px;" class="">But surely its highly illegal besides the law explicit allows it … whatever </span></span><span style="font-size: 11.762646675109863px;" class="">… </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.762646675109863px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(238, 241, 246);" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.762646675109863px;" class="">Markus</span></span></font></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 8. Dec 2017, at 13:24, niftybunny <<a href="mailto:abuse@to-surf-and-protect.net" class="">abuse@to-surf-and-protect.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 8. Dec 2017, at 10:23, Alexander Dietrich <<a href="mailto:alexander@dietrich.cx" class="">alexander@dietrich.cx</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif;"><p class="">I have no experience with Hetzner, but no ISP in Germany (or elsewhere) has ever asked me for a copy of my passport. I'd rather spend my money elsewhere.</p><p class="">(For German readers: it's illegal to create photocopies of the latest generation of ID cards, except for government agencies, banks and such, AFAIK.</p></div></div></blockquote><div class="">No its is not and its normal with banks, ISPs, web hosting<b class="" style="font-size: 14px;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>etc </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">proof: <a href="https://www.datenschutzbeauftragter-info.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Personalausweis-kopieren-Stellungnahme-BMI.pdf" class="">https://www.datenschutzbeauftragter-info.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Personalausweis-kopieren-Stellungnahme-BMI.pdf</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Look it up and stop starting rumours …</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Markus</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif;"><p class="">Kind regards,<br class="">Alexander</p><div class="">---<br class=""><div class="pre" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: monospace;">PGP Key:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://dietrich.cx/pgp" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="">https://dietrich.cx/pgp</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| 0x52FA4EE1722D54EB</div></div><p class=""><br class=""></p><p class="">On 2017-12-08 02:46, niftybunny wrote:</p><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="padding: 0px 0.4em; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin: 0px;">I do not think they will compromise and this is "normal" behaviour for a ISP from Europe.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://online.net/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="">Online.net</a> is cheap, fast and has good support. I would send them what they demanded. In Germany you have to send them a copy of your passport before they even get you a server. Got this with Hetzner. So, nothing to worry about.<div class=""> </div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Markus</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="padding: 0px 0.4em; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin: 0px;"><div class="">On 8. Dec 2017, at 02:41, Tanous <<a href="mailto:tanous@protonmail.com" class="">tanous@protonmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Thanks Markus, I'll ask them if there is another way to unlock my account.</div><div class="">In this situations i'm never certain if I have been hacked or something...</div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class="">Tanous</div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user protonmail_signature_block-empty"> </div></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote"><div class="">-------- Original Message --------</div><div class="">Subject: Re: [tor-relays] ISP is aking me to send a selfie holding my identity card</div><div class="">Local Time: December 7, 2017 11:26 PM</div><div class="">UTC Time: December 8, 2017 1:26 AM</div><div class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:abuse@to-surf-and-protect.net" class="">abuse@to-surf-and-protect.net</a></div><div class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" class="">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a></div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Same happened here. Sent them their stuff they demanded and 2 days later my account was restored and they are "fine" with abuse. </div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Markus</div><div class=""><div class=""> </div><div class=""><div class=""> </div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="padding: 0px 0.4em; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin: 0px;"><div class="">On 8. Dec 2017, at 02:24, Tanous <<a href="mailto:tanous@protonmail.com" class="">tanous@protonmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""> </div><div class=""><div class="">it is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://online.net/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="">Online.net</a>.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user protonmail_signature_block-empty"> </div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton">Sent with<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://protonmail.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="">ProtonMail</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Secure Email.</div></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote"><div class="">-------- Original Message --------</div><div class="">Subject: Re: [tor-relays] ISP is aking me to send a selfie holding my identity card</div><div class="">Local Time: December 7, 2017 10:57 PM</div><div class="">UTC Time: December 8, 2017 12:57 AM</div><div class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:abuse@to-surf-and-protect.net" class="">abuse@to-surf-and-protect.net</a></div><div class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" class="">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a></div><div class=""> </div><div class=""><div class="">DigitalOcean demanded access to my FaceBook and Twitter account for verification ...</div><div class="">I do not own a Twitter or Facebook account ...</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Which ISP is it?</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Markus</div><div class=""> </div></div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="padding: 0px 0.4em; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin: 0px;"><div class="">On 8. Dec 2017, at 01:54, Tanous<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tanous@protonmail.com" class="">tanous@protonmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:</div><div class=""><div class="">Hi,</div><div class="">Im running an exit relay for 116 days. Today i received an email from my ISP saying that my account has been locked for security reasons.</div><div class="">They asked me to send a copy of my identity card and a selfie holding it. I found that very odd and i feel uncomfortable sending that data to them.</div><div class="">Should i give up to running my exit relay and find another ISP?</div><div class="">By the way, i had received an abuse complaint a day before, due to Brute force attempts.</div></div><div class="">Best Regards,</div><div class="">Tanous</div><div class=""><hr class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">tor-relays mailing list</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" class="">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a></div><div class=""><a href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><hr class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">tor-relays mailing list</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" class="">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a></div><div class=""><a href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a></div></div></blockquote><div class=""> </div><div class="">_______________________________________________</div><div class="">tor-relays mailing list</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" class="">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a></div><div class=""><a href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class=""> </div>_______________________________________________<br class="">tor-relays mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org" class="">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays" class="">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a></div></blockquote></div></div><br class=""><div class="pre" style="margin: 0px; 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