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Apr 2016 15:31 by <a href="mailto:tor-relays-request@lists.torproject.org" target="_blank">tor-relays-request@lists.torproject.org</a>:<br /><br /><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;">Send tor-relays mailing list submissions to<br /> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br /><br />To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br /> <a target="_blank" href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><br />or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br /> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:tor-relays-request@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays-request@lists.torproject.org</a><br /><br />You can reach the person managing the list at<br /> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:tor-relays-owner@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays-owner@lists.torproject.org</a><br /><br />When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br />than "Re: Contents of tor-relays digest..."<br /><br /><br />Today's Topics:<br /><br /> 1. Tor Weather has been discontinued (Karsten Loesing)<br /> 2. Re: Tor Weather has been discontinued (Eran Sandler)<br /> 3. Re: Tor Weather has been discontinued (Eran Sandler)<br /><br /><br />----------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Message: 1<br />Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:48:39 +0200<br />From: Karsten Loesing <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:karsten@torproject.org">karsten@torproject.org</a>><br />To: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br />Subject: [tor-relays] Tor Weather has been discontinued<br />Message-ID: <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:57027EC7.9010802@torproject.org">57027EC7.9010802@torproject.org</a>><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br /><br />-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br />Hash: SHA1<br /><br />Dear relay operators,<br /><br />as of April 4, 2016, Tor Weather has been discontinued.<br /><br />Tor Weather [0] provided an email notification service to any user who<br />wanted to monitor the status of a Tor node. Upon subscribing, they<br />could specify what types of alerts they would like to receive. The<br />main purpose of Tor Weather was to notify node operators via email if<br />their node was down for longer than a specified period, but other<br />notification types were available, including one where operators would<br />be informed when their node was around long enough to qualify for a<br />t-shirt.<br /><br />The main reason for discontinuing Tor Weather is the fact that<br />software requires maintenance, and Tor Weather is no exception. Tor<br />Weather was promising t-shirts for relays that have not been around<br />long enough or that provided too little bandwidth to be useful to the<br />network, and it was almost impossible to deny a t-shirt after Tor<br />Weather has promised it. Apart from that, Tor Weather was likely not<br />offering t-shirts to people who have long earned it, thereby confusing<br />them. An unreliable notification system is worse than not having a<br />system at all. Relay operators shouldn't rely on Tor Weather to<br />notify them when their relay fails. They should rather set up their<br />own system instead.<br /><br />We have tried to find a new maintainer for Tor Weather for years, but<br />without success. We started rewriting Tor Weather [1] using Onionoo<br />[2] as data back-end in 2014, and even though that project didn't<br />produce working code, somebody could pick up this efforts and finish<br />the rewrite. The Roster developers said that they're planning to<br />include an email notification function in Roster [3]. And we<br />developed a simple Python script that provides information about a<br />relay operator's eligibility for acquiring a t-shirt [4]. None of<br />these alternatives is a full replacement of Weather, though.<br /><br />We encourage you, the community of Tor relay operators, to step up to<br />start your own notification systems and to share designs and code.<br />Tor Weather is still a good idea, it just needs somebody to implement it.<br /><br />Tor Weather is discontinued in two steps. For now, new subscriptions<br />are disabled, new welcome messages are not sent out anymore, and<br />existing subscriptions continue working until June 30, 2016. From<br />July 1, 2016 on, Tor Weather will not be sending out any emails.<br /><br />Sorry for any inconvenience caused by this.<br /><br />All the best,<br />Karsten<br /><br /><br />[0] <a target="_blank" href="https://weather.torproject.org/">https://weather.torproject.org</a><br /><br />[1] <a target="_blank" href="https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/weather-in-2014">https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/weather-in-2014</a><br /><br />[2] <a target="_blank" href="https://onionoo.torproject.org/">https://onionoo.torproject.org</a><br /><br />[3] <a target="_blank" href="http://www.tor-roster.org/">http://www.tor-roster.org</a><br /><br />[4]<br /><a target="_blank" href="https://gitweb.torproject.org/metrics-tasks.git/tree/task-9889/tshirt.py">https://gitweb.torproject.org/metrics-tasks.git/tree/task-9889/tshirt.py</a><br /><br />-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br />Comment: GPGTools - <a target="_blank" href="http://gpgtools.org">http://gpgtools.org</a><br /><br />iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXAn7HAAoJEC3ESO/4X7XBmhEIAKxWEwex5pyp5RBHkE4+1IC2<br />WaKjcvIT0WiZJ8prZASNSxF7ART6r2trG50+Pd2GCdu0SOjIz3eeQNSkx251RaqF<br />xF7dw2RVhExcYOar4FG5+KkXu6X3k0svMvNeMGzcRd51yaaVeW8OaAgV0NC+CHgE<br />ZkA7bg26jCvG8EFrKCg4fuZ3JW3+O3mvcquea+aB4q6gbuQFjgoxzfH5+XkmpA5i<br />gDZnsIRuBDYuUW8V1ior/7DG2wGlCjWZUotoTysfsFW2FSMUrTBZOlvhpHicMfER<br />VpLxY8+b3ZGC6Olit50ISZql8l12yO3Hik32eKIcgK2fpx6vgKE+T83I8voIpOU=<br />=LVj8<br />-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br /><br /><br />------------------------------<br /><br />Message: 2<br />Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:58:20 +0000<br />From: Eran Sandler <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:eran@sandler.co.il">eran@sandler.co.il</a>><br />To: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br />Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather has been discontinued<br />Message-ID:<br /> <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:CALR3k-G0DoeRB-baVw+uvGUeMdDRVMORwEgAjDgCg6kE3n1cGQ@mail.gmail.com">CALR3k-G0DoeRB-baVw+uvGUeMdDRVMORwEgAjDgCg6kE3n1cGQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br /><br />I have played quite a bit with onionoo and wrote a wrapper in Go for it.<br /><br />I am willing to rewrite Tor Weather using Go (or python if you like).<br /><br />I'll go over the old code and this email again to make sure I understand<br />the full scope of the project.<br /><br />As an operator I have relied on the Tor Weather alerts to know if one if my<br />nodes were down and while it's wasn't quick enough in sending alerts it was<br />a good tool.<br /><br />I have some ideas about the t-shirts alerts so that we won't miss sending<br />to those that need it and wouldnt send to those that don't need it.<br /><br />Eran<br /><br />On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 17:49 Karsten Loesing <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:karsten@torproject.org">karsten@torproject.org</a>> wrote:<br /><blockquote>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br />Hash: SHA1<br /><br />Dear relay operators,<br /><br />as of April 4, 2016, Tor Weather has been discontinued.<br /><br />Tor Weather [0] provided an email notification service to any user who<br />wanted to monitor the status of a Tor node. Upon subscribing, they<br />could specify what types of alerts they would like to receive. The<br />main purpose of Tor Weather was to notify node operators via email if<br />their node was down for longer than a specified period, but other<br />notification types were available, including one where operators would<br />be informed when their node was around long enough to qualify for a<br />t-shirt.<br /><br />The main reason for discontinuing Tor Weather is the fact that<br />software requires maintenance, and Tor Weather is no exception. Tor<br />Weather was promising t-shirts for relays that have not been around<br />long enough or that provided too little bandwidth to be useful to the<br />network, and it was almost impossible to deny a t-shirt after Tor<br />Weather has promised it. Apart from that, Tor Weather was likely not<br />offering t-shirts to people who have long earned it, thereby confusing<br />them. An unreliable notification system is worse than not having a<br />system at all. Relay operators shouldn't rely on Tor Weather to<br />notify them when their relay fails. They should rather set up their<br />own system instead.<br /><br />We have tried to find a new maintainer for Tor Weather for years, but<br />without success. We started rewriting Tor Weather [1] using Onionoo<br />[2] as data back-end in 2014, and even though that project didn't<br />produce working code, somebody could pick up this efforts and finish<br />the rewrite. The Roster developers said that they're planning to<br />include an email notification function in Roster [3]. And we<br />developed a simple Python script that provides information about a<br />relay operator's eligibility for acquiring a t-shirt [4]. None of<br />these alternatives is a full replacement of Weather, though.<br /><br />We encourage you, the community of Tor relay operators, to step up to<br />start your own notification systems and to share designs and code.<br />Tor Weather is still a good idea, it just needs somebody to implement it.<br /><br />Tor Weather is discontinued in two steps. For now, new subscriptions<br />are disabled, new welcome messages are not sent out anymore, and<br />existing subscriptions continue working until June 30, 2016. From<br />July 1, 2016 on, Tor Weather will not be sending out any emails.<br /><br />Sorry for any inconvenience caused by this.<br /><br />All the best,<br />Karsten<br /><br /><br />[0] <a target="_blank" href="https://weather.torproject.org/">https://weather.torproject.org</a><br /><br />[1] <a target="_blank" href="https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/weather-in-2014">https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/weather-in-2014</a><br /><br />[2] <a target="_blank" href="https://onionoo.torproject.org/">https://onionoo.torproject.org</a><br /><br />[3] <a target="_blank" href="http://www.tor-roster.org/">http://www.tor-roster.org</a><br /><br />[4]<br /><a target="_blank" href="https://gitweb.torproject.org/metrics-tasks.git/tree/task-9889/tshirt.py">https://gitweb.torproject.org/metrics-tasks.git/tree/task-9889/tshirt.py</a><br /><br />-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br />Comment: GPGTools - <a target="_blank" href="http://gpgtools.org">http://gpgtools.org</a><br /><br />iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXAn7HAAoJEC3ESO/4X7XBmhEIAKxWEwex5pyp5RBHkE4+1IC2<br />WaKjcvIT0WiZJ8prZASNSxF7ART6r2trG50+Pd2GCdu0SOjIz3eeQNSkx251RaqF<br />xF7dw2RVhExcYOar4FG5+KkXu6X3k0svMvNeMGzcRd51yaaVeW8OaAgV0NC+CHgE<br />ZkA7bg26jCvG8EFrKCg4fuZ3JW3+O3mvcquea+aB4q6gbuQFjgoxzfH5+XkmpA5i<br />gDZnsIRuBDYuUW8V1ior/7DG2wGlCjWZUotoTysfsFW2FSMUrTBZOlvhpHicMfER<br />VpLxY8+b3ZGC6Olit50ISZql8l12yO3Hik32eKIcgK2fpx6vgKE+T83I8voIpOU=<br />=LVj8<br />-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br />_______________________________________________<br />tor-relays mailing list<br /><a target="_blank" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br /><a target="_blank" href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><br /></blockquote>-------------- next part --------------<br />An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br />URL: <<a target="_blank" href="http://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/attachments/20160404/34dfa6cd/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/attachments/20160404/34dfa6cd/attachment-0001.html</a>><br /><br />------------------------------<br /><br />Message: 3<br />Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:31:33 +0000<br />From: Eran Sandler <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:eran@sandler.co.il">eran@sandler.co.il</a>><br />To: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br />Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather has been discontinued<br />Message-ID:<br /> <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:CALR3k-Hy0iEO7qnX-5bkeeka9m72T2nKB8Hc6WP-vAWrS-gM7g@mail.gmail.com">CALR3k-Hy0iEO7qnX-5bkeeka9m72T2nKB8Hc6WP-vAWrS-gM7g@mail.gmail.com</a>><br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br /><br />So, I was also thinking about basing a new system off of onionoo. It should<br />be fairly easy to handle that.<br /><br />Basic flow would be the same:<br /><br /> - Register with fingerprint + email + select notifications (down, low<br /> bandwidth etc).<br /> - Get confirmation email<br /> - Confirm<br /><br />We can discuss what notifications are needed (the same or others as before).<br /><br />Regarding T-Shirts, I think automatically sending emails might be a bit too<br />much. Perhaps it should collect that data and send an email to the people<br />responsible sending out the t-shirts 1-2 a month. They can review some data<br />(when the node first appeared, how stable it is, etc - or we can determine<br />new parameters for getting a t-shirt) and authorize sending out an email.<br /><br />I would be interested to know what other notifications are worth while.<br /><br />Regarding operational details, I have a few questions:<br /><br /> - How are emails being sent today?<br /> - Is there a main torproject.org email server that was used? Obviously<br /> we would all rather have these emails reach their destination and not fall<br /> into SPAM folders.<br /> - How open are every one to run the new Weather system on a PaaS like<br /> Google AppEngine? We can probably get free credits to run it and it will<br /> save us a server to run. We can use AppEngine's cron feature to do the<br /> scheduling and check if things are up and running. That should be much more<br /> efficient as this system won't really be taking 100% CPU from a server (and<br /> its one less server to maintain).<br /><br /><br />Eran<br /><br />On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:58 PM Eran Sandler <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:eran@sandler.co.il">eran@sandler.co.il</a>> wrote:<br /><blockquote>I have played quite a bit with onionoo and wrote a wrapper in Go for it.<br /><br />I am willing to rewrite Tor Weather using Go (or python if you like).<br /><br />I'll go over the old code and this email again to make sure I understand<br />the full scope of the project.<br /><br />As an operator I have relied on the Tor Weather alerts to know if one if<br />my nodes were down and while it's wasn't quick enough in sending alerts it<br />was a good tool.<br /><br />I have some ideas about the t-shirts alerts so that we won't miss sending<br />to those that need it and wouldnt send to those that don't need it.<br /><br />Eran<br /><br /><br />On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 17:49 Karsten Loesing <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:karsten@torproject.org">karsten@torproject.org</a>> wrote:<br /><blockquote>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br />Hash: SHA1<br /><br />Dear relay operators,<br /><br />as of April 4, 2016, Tor Weather has been discontinued.<br /><br />Tor Weather [0] provided an email notification service to any user who<br />wanted to monitor the status of a Tor node. Upon subscribing, they<br />could specify what types of alerts they would like to receive. The<br />main purpose of Tor Weather was to notify node operators via email if<br />their node was down for longer than a specified period, but other<br />notification types were available, including one where operators would<br />be informed when their node was around long enough to qualify for a<br />t-shirt.<br /><br />The main reason for discontinuing Tor Weather is the fact that<br />software requires maintenance, and Tor Weather is no exception. Tor<br />Weather was promising t-shirts for relays that have not been around<br />long enough or that provided too little bandwidth to be useful to the<br />network, and it was almost impossible to deny a t-shirt after Tor<br />Weather has promised it. Apart from that, Tor Weather was likely not<br />offering t-shirts to people who have long earned it, thereby confusing<br />them. An unreliable notification system is worse than not having a<br />system at all. Relay operators shouldn't rely on Tor Weather to<br />notify them when their relay fails. They should rather set up their<br />own system instead.<br /><br />We have tried to find a new maintainer for Tor Weather for years, but<br />without success. We started rewriting Tor Weather [1] using Onionoo<br />[2] as data back-end in 2014, and even though that project didn't<br />produce working code, somebody could pick up this efforts and finish<br />the rewrite. The Roster developers said that they're planning to<br />include an email notification function in Roster [3]. And we<br />developed a simple Python script that provides information about a<br />relay operator's eligibility for acquiring a t-shirt [4]. None of<br />these alternatives is a full replacement of Weather, though.<br /><br />We encourage you, the community of Tor relay operators, to step up to<br />start your own notification systems and to share designs and code.<br />Tor Weather is still a good idea, it just needs somebody to implement it.<br /><br />Tor Weather is discontinued in two steps. For now, new subscriptions<br />are disabled, new welcome messages are not sent out anymore, and<br />existing subscriptions continue working until June 30, 2016. From<br />July 1, 2016 on, Tor Weather will not be sending out any emails.<br /><br />Sorry for any inconvenience caused by this.<br /><br />All the best,<br />Karsten<br /><br /><br />[0] <a target="_blank" href="https://weather.torproject.org/">https://weather.torproject.org</a><br /><br />[1] <a target="_blank" href="https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/weather-in-2014">https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/weather-in-2014</a><br /><br />[2] <a target="_blank" href="https://onionoo.torproject.org/">https://onionoo.torproject.org</a><br /><br />[3] <a target="_blank" href="http://www.tor-roster.org/">http://www.tor-roster.org</a><br /><br />[4]<br /><a target="_blank" href="https://gitweb.torproject.org/metrics-tasks.git/tree/task-9889/tshirt.py">https://gitweb.torproject.org/metrics-tasks.git/tree/task-9889/tshirt.py</a><br /><br />-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br />Comment: GPGTools - <a target="_blank" href="http://gpgtools.org">http://gpgtools.org</a><br /><br />iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXAn7HAAoJEC3ESO/4X7XBmhEIAKxWEwex5pyp5RBHkE4+1IC2<br />WaKjcvIT0WiZJ8prZASNSxF7ART6r2trG50+Pd2GCdu0SOjIz3eeQNSkx251RaqF<br />xF7dw2RVhExcYOar4FG5+KkXu6X3k0svMvNeMGzcRd51yaaVeW8OaAgV0NC+CHgE<br />ZkA7bg26jCvG8EFrKCg4fuZ3JW3+O3mvcquea+aB4q6gbuQFjgoxzfH5+XkmpA5i<br />gDZnsIRuBDYuUW8V1ior/7DG2wGlCjWZUotoTysfsFW2FSMUrTBZOlvhpHicMfER<br />VpLxY8+b3ZGC6Olit50ISZql8l12yO3Hik32eKIcgK2fpx6vgKE+T83I8voIpOU=<br />=LVj8<br />-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br />_______________________________________________<br />tor-relays mailing list<br /><a target="_blank" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br /><a target="_blank" href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><br /></blockquote></blockquote>-------------- next part --------------<br />An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br />URL: <<a target="_blank" href="http://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/attachments/20160404/15b82ef0/attachment.html">http://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/attachments/20160404/15b82ef0/attachment.html</a>><br /><br />------------------------------<br /><br />Subject: Digest Footer<br /><br />_______________________________________________<br />tor-relays mailing list<br /><a target="_blank" href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br /><a target="_blank" href="https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays">https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays</a><br /><br /><br />------------------------------<br /><br />End of tor-relays Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5<br />*****************************************</blockquote> </body>
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