<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">>With that in mind, he does raise a valid point. Are there any plans to move</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">>to a more decentralised model for the directory authorities? Are their any</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">>plans to move the power to blacklist nodes out of the hands of the Tor Project</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">>and into the hands of its users somehow.</span><br><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">This is pretty interesting point, but then i'm personally not really interested in having any control over the actual blacklist. I'd feel plenty comfortable with </font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">just insight into what is blacklisted, for what reason and if possible some evidence to support this reason. Giving control to "the people" isn't always a good thing either as even in TOR circles there'd be people that can't deal with having power on any level. Transparency</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> is probably the word I was looking for to use.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I didn't fill in contact information on my fresh tor relay simply because the app I use doesn't allow me to. (my tor relay runs on an Ouya, therefore android) Regardless of the absence of contact information the reason I run the relay are in line with the reasons why TOR exists.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-07 22:35 GMT+01:00 Derric Atzrott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:datzrott@alizeepathology.com" target="_blank">datzrott@alizeepathology.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">> How does one establish trust online though? Trust is a very delicate thing. A<br>
> system such as this simply inherently has these challenges. Pretty sure that<br>
> is why the tor browser for example always uses https.<br>
<br>
</span>Indeed, both the centralised and decentralised systems that are currently in<br>
place have major issues. Within centralised systems like the Certificate<br>
Authority system we see corruption (have you seen their fees) and we must<br>
trust them to actually verify identities and to remain secure, something<br>
at least a few CAs have proven that they can't do. Then we also have to<br>
trust our vendors to provide default lists of CAs to trust that are in<br>
fact worth of our trust.<br>
<br>
Within decentralised systems like PGP we have to worry about the network<br>
effect, and making sure that people understand what they are actually doing,<br>
again we worry about whether or not we can trust our friends, and whether or<br>
not we can trust their friends.<br>
<br>
Trust is probably one of the hardest problems facing folks using the Internet.<br>
<br>
With that in mind, he does raise a valid point. Are there any plans to move<br>
to a more decentralised model for the directory authorities? Are their any<br>
plans to move the power to blacklist nodes out of the hands of the Tor Project<br>
and into the hands of its users somehow.<br>
<br>
I'm not exactly sure how either of those would be accomplished, but I'm sure<br>
there is a clever solution somewhere.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
Derric Atzrott<br>
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