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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi Tim --</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Very good points, and yes most likely the mail protocols would be candidates for "slow", high </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">latency circuits.</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">However, there may be another class of relays that's overlooked - many VPS providers sell VPSes </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">with low data caps, even on fast connections (100Mbit/s). There are two ways to address this:</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">a) traffic accounting: the relay hibernates until the next reset</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">b) throttling so that the data cap for the month isn't prematurely reached.</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'd imagine that most relay operators with such VPS packages will choose to throttle and keep the </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">relay up and running continuously rather than having it hibernate (I know I've had to do this in the past). </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The actual connection is fast enough to not suffer real latency issues, it's just the relay doing the throttling </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- do you think throttling to 0.5Mbit/s or 1Mbit/s will create issues of high latency?</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'm about to go and read the Conflux paper:</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">"In this paper, we present Conflux, a dynamic traffic-splitting approach that assigns traffic to an overlay path </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">based on its measured latency. Because it enhances the load-balancing properties of the network, Conflux </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">considerably increases performance for clients using low-bandwidth bridges."</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This would obviously create better utilisation of circuits as a whole, so it may well make my idea totally redundant. :)</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers,</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Paritesh Boyeyoko</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">paritesh.boyeyoko@gmail.com</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />On Wednesday 17 Sep 2014 22:40:36 Tim wrote:<br /></p>
<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On 17 Sep 2014, at 22:00, Paritesh Boyeyoko <<a href="mailto:parity.boy@gmail.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">parity.boy@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:</p>
<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:80px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Tuesday 16 Sep 2014 17:36:41 Toralf F?rster wrote:<br /></p>
<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:120px; margin-right:120px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On 09/16/2014 03:35 AM, Paritesh Boyeyoko wrote:<br /></p>
<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:160px; margin-right:160px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hello --<br />So, I was thinking that in the same way that Tor relays have port-based exit policies, could they not <br />also have port-based entrance policies? I<br /></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />Beside the general answer (probably "NO") - you mean something, which cannot be handled by a firewall ?<br /><br /><br /></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:13px;">@Toralf Correct, this has nothing to do with firewalls. This is more about better utilisation of slow circuits/relays by deliberately choosing to push relatively lightweight traffic across them. IRC and XMPP do not need 10Mbit/s circuits, not even close. I'm not sure how Tor clients choose the relays they use to build a circuit, and I do realise that a) there are probably more slow relays than fast ones b) attempting to pre-build both a "fast circuit" and a "slow circuit" will reduce the number of candidates for each. I'm just looking for ways to drive more traffic across slow relays. :)</span><br /></p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Paritesh,</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think it might help to make a distinction between latency (delay) and throughput (capacity), both of which are affected by router speed:</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">IRC, XMMP and SSH need low latency circuits, which are mostly correlated with high bandwidth relays.</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Web Browsing (HTTP/S) and similar generally need both low-ish latency and high throughput, also correlated with high bandwidth relays.</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">File Downloads (HTTP/S, BitTorrent) can cope with high latency as long as the throughput is high (and the reliability is sufficient, but that's another matter).</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But I can't actually see much need for high latency, low throughput relays - are there many protocols that would find that useful? (SMTP is the only one that comes to mind.)</p>
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