<div dir="ltr">Dear Dan,<div><br></div><div>Sorry to hear you're having trouble. As I guess you read in previous messages on here - I had a similar issue with <a href="http://nhs.gov.uk">nhs.gov.uk</a> and the BBC earlier this year. At this point, I again have access to both sites. for the BBC, you could try filling in this form if you haven't already:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/incorrect_location_may2014">http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/incorrect_location_may2014</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I'd advise you tell them that you are running a Tor relay when you describe the issue. I assume you're running middle (i.e. not exit) relays given you are using your home IP? If so - make sure you include this detail, and emphasise that as a result, no Tor traffic is coming from your IP to the BBC website - the only traffic is from you yourself.</div><div><br></div><div>If you don't hear back from them within a week or so, you could try poking the iPlayer guys on Twitter giving them your case number (@BBCiPlayer). At least for me, once I regained access to iPlayer, I also regained access to all other BBC UK only content. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm afraid I don't have any experience dealing with the Lottery site, so I can't advise there. It's possible that the BBC and Lottery people are using the same hosting provider, and so fixing the BBC issue may resolve your Lottery problem...but we can't be sure. I'd get whatever contact details you can from them and explain the problem, what a middle relay is, how it's just you etc and see what they say.</div><div><br></div><div>Good luck,</div><div><br></div><div>Chris</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 September 2014 17:23, Dan Hanley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hanley.dan@gmail.com" target="_blank">hanley.dan@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>All<br><br></div>I can see there was a previous thread related to this in June, but thought I'd add what I'm seeing to the discussion.<br><br>
<p class="MsoNormal">After the <i>Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill
(DRIP) </i>was rushed through parliament I decided to do my bit for the privacy
cause and run a couple of Tor relays. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I run one from my laptop at home and one from my desktop at
work.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Since doing this I have suffered deliberate disruption in
service from the BBC and the National Lottery.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A Tor relay is a node on The Onion Router network that
traffic gets router through to anonymise where it originated from. (<a href="https://www.eff.org/torchallenge/what-is-tor.html" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/torchallenge/what-is-tor.html</a>)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Note that I am running middle relays, not exit relays, so
the connection to the destination site will never come directly from one of my
relay nodes. Neither have I used the Tor browser to access either site.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>The BBC</b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Within 48 hours the <a href="http://bbc.co.uk" target="_blank">http://bbc.co.uk</a>
website started redirecting me to the <a href="http://bbc.com" target="_blank">http://bbc.com</a>
international version. They seem to think I am no longer a licence payer, or
perhaps conspiring to allow non licence payers to access their UK service. The
redirect is based on my homes IP address, so all devices, laptop, phone, ipad
etc get redirected. The redirect seems to trigger via Javascript, I can access <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk</a> with Javascript disabled.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The international site recognises that my ip address is in
the UK and refuses to let me access international content. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The net result is that I and my family can no longer access
either UK or international BBC content.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>The National Lottery</b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Lottery allows me to connect and browse their site but
as soon as I try to make a purchase I get blocked:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Why is this odd:</b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Any of the popular IP checking sites/tools show that my
address is located in the UK: e.g <a href="http://www.whatsmyip.com" target="_blank">www.whatsmyip.com</a>
or <a href="https://who.is" target="_blank">https://who.is</a> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am using two different ISPs (Zen and VirginMedia) neither
can explain the behaviour.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Contacting the lottery they blame the ISP, I have been
unable to get a response from the BBC.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Assuming I can believe the look up services and the ISPs
that my IP addresses are still located in the UK, the only explanation I can
come up with is that the BBC and the lottery are deliberately blocking ip
addresses that are registered on the Tor network. Whether they do this
independently or avail of a common third party is unknown.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So the cost of trying to maintain privacy seems to be the
loss of BBC and Lottery – which seems unfair.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Regards</p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Dan<br></p>
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