<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2643"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2644"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:29 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> </div></div></div><blockquote style="border: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2643"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2644"><div class="y_msg_container">> No, it does not break any anonymity. And it doesn't matter what</div></div></div></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2643"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2644"><div class="y_msg_container">> OpvenVPN sends because it all happens over the users already secured</div></div></div></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida
Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2643"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2644"><div class="y_msg_container">> Tor circuit '--'. You just don't understand the model. Here it is</div></div></div></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2643"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2644"><div class="y_msg_container">> again. '<>' is a single computer, there are two computers pictured.</div></div></div></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue,
Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2643"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2644"><div class="y_msg_container">> Packets travel through the listed processes and computers from left</div></div></div></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2643"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2644"><div class="y_msg_container">> to right. '++' is the usual clearnet beyond the exit box.</div></div></div></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue,
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2643"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2644"><div class="y_msg_container"><br></div></div></div></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2643"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2644"><div class="y_msg_container">> A)</div></div></div></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"
class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2643"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="yui_3_16_0_1_1402937698537_2644"><div class="y_msg_container">> <user - ovpncli - torcli> -- <tor_exit_relay_or_ip - ovpn_term_ip> ++ world</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="y_msg_container"><br></div><div class="y_msg_container">It seems to me in this case the OpenVPN endpoint would know who the user is, based on their OpenVPN client certificate or shared secret. Even absent those, they might be able to do packet fingerprinting, since the packets won't be
scrubbed.<br><br></div> </div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>