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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2013 5:37 AM, Thomas Hand
wrote:<br>
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<p>This is true. Some websites download lists of all relays and
just mass block the ips. Its usually webmasters who have no idea
how tor works and don't realise that a middle relay poses them
no threat whatsoever. This is why education is best. If someone
is blocking your IP, just email them explaining how tor works
and try to convince them that your IP is no threat.</p>
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If a web commerce provider is summarily blocking every IP address on
his copy of the list, chances are that they will not change to a
policy of only blocking exit addresses, as that takes extra
thinking. <br>
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Of course such a list goes out of date faster than a phone book.
That is another reason that using a list is an exercise in
futility. Even more thought required to see that.<br>
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Thus it would be hit or miss to try to access their website using
Tor. If they do not respond to a suggestion that they learn more
about Tor, a better choice is either to move on to a competitive
website or to move our relay (exit or not) to a different IP
address. Those options are already on the table in this thread. <br>
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The situation would change if Tor became the normal means of
accessing Internet commerce websites.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 10, 2013 8:27 AM, "Sebastian G.
<bastik.tor>" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bastik.tor@googlemail.com">bastik.tor@googlemail.com</a>>
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10.11.2013 07:56, gq:<br>
> Dave,<br>
><br>
> Unless I am mistaken, your non-exit relay never connects
to a web page.<br>
> Only exit relays do that, so it can't be your IP that is
blocked but<br>
> whatever exit relay you may be connecting through.<br>
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The original problem seemed to be that Skype rejects
connection attempts<br>
from exits. In the mentioned case someone tried to make a call
from one<br>
of the exits (the same machine with the same IP address)
without using Tor.<br>
<br>
Unless I am getting the reply you replied to wrong, the same
may happen<br>
when one runs a non-exit relay and tries to connect from the
same<br>
machine to a service that blocks the Tor network, whenever the
traffic<br>
comes form an exit or not. (One reason could be, not knowing
that there<br>
is a difference, or just to be sure there's no trouble, or
that's just<br>
the default [third-party]list they always use for blocking
without<br>
carrying what's on the list)<br>
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