<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"MS Mincho";
panose-1:2 2 6 9 4 2 5 8 3 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"High Tower Text";
panose-1:2 4 5 2 5 5 6 3 3 3;}
@font-face
{font-family:"\@MS Mincho";
panose-1:2 2 6 9 4 2 5 8 3 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
pre
{mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted Char";
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";}
p.MsoAcetate, li.MsoAcetate, div.MsoAcetate
{mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"Balloon Text Char";
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:8.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";}
span.EmailStyle17
{mso-style-type:personal;
font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";
color:#1F497D;}
span.EmailStyle18
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";
color:#1F497D;}
span.BalloonTextChar
{mso-style-name:"Balloon Text Char";
mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"Balloon Text";
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";}
span.HTMLPreformattedChar
{mso-style-name:"HTML Preformatted Char";
mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted";
font-family:"Courier New";}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'>Addendum:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'>In the e-commerce rfaud template on the Tor Wiki, it ends with the folowing interesting paragraph:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>"In fact, in my experience, the fraud processing teams contracted by<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>many ISPs simply mark all requests from Tor nodes as fraud using that<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>very list. So it is even possible this is a legitimate order, but was<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>flagged as fraud solely based on IP, especially if you contract out<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>fraud detection to a third party."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'>Interesting possibility, that calls for the police to immediately dismiss the complaint if found applicable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'>They were a bit vague as to exactly what behavior Paypal (or someone else?) has complained about.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'>Asa<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Asa<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Sanjeev,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'>I'm new to relay operating, but I am considering funding one or two in Singapore, so I am interested to hear how this plays out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'>For lack of better advice: Read the FAQ and template abuse responses:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq-abuse.html.en#TypicalAbuses">https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq-abuse.html.en#TypicalAbuses</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorAbuseTemplates">https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorAbuseTemplates</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://www.torservers.net/wiki/abuse/templates">https://www.torservers.net/wiki/abuse/templates</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://www.torproject.org/eff/tor-dmca-response.html.en">https://www.torproject.org/eff/tor-dmca-response.html.en</a> (not directly applicable)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'>The common theme I saw was reading the above, was to respond in a friendly way, educating them about Tor, some of it most important purposes (not sure if Singapore would be pro- or anti- censorship, even of Iranians and Syrians?), and that the connection did not originate with you; that Tor has reputable sponsors; and then offer some basic suggestions about how they might approach the problem. In some cases, offer to help in certain ways, such as a reduced exit policy blocking certain ports (although this will just redirect the abusers to other exit nodes), and provide likes to automated data available to determine if connections are coming from Tor so that websites can respond appropriately (such as implementing additional security checks or, if appropriate, temporarily blocking Tor connections). In some cases, offer to follow up with them in a week.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'>I didn't see it recommended to start off short with them, ignore them, or say "get a court order, and then talk to my lawyer".<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'>Foster cooperation and understanding, and hope for a friend-of-Tor attitude.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'>Asa<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"High Tower Text","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:tor-relays-bounces@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays-bounces@lists.torproject.org</a> [<a href="mailto:tor-relays-bounces@lists.torproject.org">mailto:tor-relays-bounces@lists.torproject.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sanjeev Gupta<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org">tor-relays@lists.torproject.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [tor-relays] Any operators in Singapore?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I run a number of Tor Relays, including exit nodes, in Singapore.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I have recieved a request from the Singapore Police, who are investigating a case of "unauthorised payments via Paypal". They have asked for the customer to whom I have assigned the IP address (the request is because I am the whois contact for the network). <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is there any other Singapore operator on the list who has experience?<br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Sanjeev Gupta<br>+65 98551208 <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ghane">http://www.linkedin.com/in/ghane</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>