<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Kate,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It might help to check out the (many) suggestions that have been made over the past year or two: <<a href="https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/sponsors/SponsorR/Terminology" class="">https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/sponsors/SponsorR/Terminology</a>>. Names that I have seen suggested for the “single onion service” variant are under #1 of the "Ideas for the future” section.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class="">Aaron</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 8, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Tim Wilson-Brown - teor <<a href="mailto:teor2345@gmail.com" class="">teor2345@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hi Kate,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Aaron and others currently favour "open onion services".<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What do you think?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tim</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 28 Feb 2016, at 18:30, Tim Wilson-Brown - teor <<a href="mailto:teor2345@gmail.com" class="">teor2345@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Kate,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As we talked about at your press session, can you help us name a new "Hidden Service" variant?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If we call the overall feature "Onion Services", we need to come up with names for a new variant:</div><div class="">* "Single" Onion Services: a service where the client is anonymous and the server is not (like Facebook)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We already have:</div><div class=""><div class="">* "Hidden" Onion Services: a service where the client and server are anonymous (like SecureDrop)</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We might also want names for two different implementations of "Single" Onion Services:</div><div class="">* "Rendezvous" Single Onion Services: a service where the server only makes connections out, so it can be behind a NAT</div><div class="">* "Extend" Single Onion Services: a service that opens a port that Tor clients can connect to via Tor</div><div class="">But that's not as important, as it's very likely that we'll only end up with one of these alternate implementations in a tor release.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I've forwarded part of a tor-onions mailing list discussion below.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tim</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Alec Muffett <<a href="mailto:alec.muffett@gmail.com" class="">alec.muffett@gmail.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Re: [tor-onions] Renaming Rendezvous Single Onion Services</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">25 February 2016 at 14:17:00 GMT+1<br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:tor-onions@lists.torproject.org" class="">tor-onions@lists.torproject.org</a><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Reply-To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:tor-onions@lists.torproject.org" class="">tor-onions@lists.torproject.org</a><br class=""></span></div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If we do end up choosing a feature-based name, I think we could start with a base name like:</div><div class=""><div class="">(With credit to a thesaurus antonyms section...)</div></div><div class="">* Visible Service</div><div class="">* Obvious Service</div><div class="">* Overt Service</div><div class="">* Open Service</div><div class="">* Revealed Service</div><div class="">* Known Service</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Then we could add "Onion" to distinguish Tor services when necessary in context.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We can also add:</div><div class="">* "Rendezvous", or </div><div class="">* "Extend" / "(OR)Port" to distinguish between the different onion services.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'd suggest that the general goal is to convey the value proposition and avoid abstract or ambiguous terms that require further explanation. Running through the list of suggestions:<br class=""></div><div class=""><p class=""><span class="">visible: begs the question "to whom?" and whether a traditional HS is not "visible"</span></p><p class=""><span class="">obvious: not bad, but begs grammarians to criticise it</span></p><p class=""><span class="">overt: i like this; I like "flagrant" too. both of them speak to the concept that this is the complement of a "hidden" service</span></p><p class=""><span class="">open: very good, traditional, positive word, but with overloaded meaning (the open service is closed for maintenance)</span></p><p class=""><span class="">revealed: not bad, but grammar again. "overt" is better.</span></p><p class=""><span class="">known: same criticism as "visible"; if you're shooting for this you might want to consider "attested" instead?</span></p><p class=""><span class=""> -a</span></p></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>
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