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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p>Hi nusenu,</p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>>Do you consider in-family diversity so important - even though all of</p><p>>them are run by a single entity anyway?</p><p>> How about having a badge for tor network wide diversity?</p><p>> I'd consider the tor network's overall diversity far more important than</p><p>> in-family diversity because clients won't use more than one relay of a</p><p>> given family anyway.</p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Entire-network diversity is obviously more important than within-operator diversity---no doubt </p><p>about that. We are doing within-operator diversity simply because the it's easier to </p><p>measure/understand. I agree that measuring a family's relay diversity with respect to the </p><p>entire Tor network is would be supplementary, maybe even strictly better. I am already logging </p><p>relevant data, namely the number of relays per country and total CW per country (as you </p><p>suggested previously). The former stastic could be used for badges like "First relay in country </p><p>X."</p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>>More than 4/5 of the family's CW is located in countries with a cw lower</p><p>>than 2%* (currently means non-top 7 country) and ASes lower than 1.5%*</p><p>>(currently means non-top 8 AS)?</p><p>><o:p> </o:p></p><p>>That implies some degree of in-family diversity since a big family would</p><p>>have to spread across multiple countries/ASes</p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Although there have been some interesting discussions about which ASes to prioritize in putting </p><p>new relays, an actual concrete numerical measure is thus far an unsolved problem. Virgil and I </p><p>have talked about using a new tool (http://labs.apnic.net/vizas/) to observe which ASes have </p><p>more interconnections and award bonus points to new relays on them. When these measures become </p><p>better established definitely in favor of making badges for them (perhaps even replacing the </p><p>within-operator diversity badges?).</p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>>"No Self-Referencing Relays"</p><p>>I'm not sure what exactly you mean by that but I assume it is a MyFamily</p><p>>config where a relay includes his own fingerprint. Why does that hurt?</p><p>>The unnecessary descriptor space/bw?</p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>This is something Virgil wanted because he thought self-connections were ugly. If the </p><p>penalizing of self-connections is found to be uglier than the self-connections themselves, we're </p><p>both fine with removing it.</p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Hope this answers your questions. Thanks for the feedback!</p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Best,</p><p>Sean</p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p style='border:none;padding:0in'><br><br></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>