<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_extra">General remarks:</div><div class="gmail_extra"> * I agree 100% with your Dec 2013 post.</div><div class="gmail_extra"> * All data I seek to make available in "Torati" is available from Onionoo.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">The proposal is to interface to Torati is like ATLAS but keyed by Tor nickname.</div><div class="gmail_extra"> * However, where Atlas intends primarily to be a reference, Torati aims to be social reputation </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> incentivization for operators. So you'd want Torati to be seen by search engines using the user's </div><div class="gmail_extra"> nickname, e.g.,</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_extra"><span style="white-space:pre"> -- </span><a href="https://torati.torproject.org/TORTverLover">https://torati.torproject.org/TORTverLover</a></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> * A given nickname's contributions would be the sum across the relays with that nickname.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Which in for "TORTverLover" would sum the stats across:</div><div class="gmail_extra"> * <a href="https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/F2D3093388925780441433897F497797C5062B0B">https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/F2D3093388925780441433897F497797C5062B0B</a></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> * <a href="https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/A8541EA02D2BBE97086BC7EF44A67E8FDA0C75A9">https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/A8541EA02D2BBE97086BC7EF44A67E8FDA0C75A9</a></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">To answer your questions:<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">> (The last link is a 404.)</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> Try: <a href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3308162/Iajya%202013.pdf">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3308162/Iajya%202013.pdf</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> But the most important papers are the first two I linked.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">> Why not make it entirely opt-in? We could include a subscription</div><div class="gmail_extra">link in Weather's welcome messages that relay operators receive when</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">their relay first receives the Stable flag.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> I greatly prefer opt-out over opt-in. Even if a Torati operator is in fact reputation-hungry, I don't want </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> the opt-in mechanic to encourage him/her to be seen as reputation hungry. Moreover, as ATLAS isn't </div><div class="gmail_extra"> opt-in so I see no reason to deviate from that precedent as this is really just a "reverse-lookup" version </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> of ATLAS.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">> Where does the name "Torati" originate from?</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> The name "Torati" is a Tor-ified version of "digerati" or "illuminati". It's meant to convey something </div><div class="gmail_extra"> along the lines of "Tor Ninja". It's a positive term that one is proud to call oneself. The name was </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> chosen as a component of the reputation social incentive.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div><br></div><div>-Virgil</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Karsten Loesing <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:karsten@torproject.org" target="_blank">karsten@torproject.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">[Attempting to move this discussion to tor-dev@ to avoid cross-posting;<br>
assuming my Reply-To: header won't get eaten by Mailman..]<br>
<div class=""><br>
On 10/06/14 02:26, Virgil Griffith wrote:<br>
> For a while I've been seeking to grow the Tor network in both size and<br>
> goodput. Towards this end, I've explored various avenues such as<br>
> increasing user-awareness via tor2web. More recently, I've been exploring<br>
> financial incentives like TorCoin.<br>
><br>
> Not wanting to strictly limit ourselves to financial incentives, I began<br>
> reading the literature on incentivizing volunteers. The most relevant<br>
> papers I found are:<br>
><br>
> * <a href="http://www-2.rotman.utoronto.ca/facbios/file/LMS2_ManSci-Paper-Final.pdf" target="_blank">http://www-2.rotman.utoronto.ca/facbios/file/LMS2_ManSci-Paper-Final.pdf</a><br>
> * <a href="http://pareto.uab.es/~prey/gneezy_254.pdf" target="_blank">http://pareto.uab.es/~prey/gneezy_254.pdf</a><br>
> * <a href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3308162/Slonim%202013.pdf" target="_blank">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3308162/Slonim%202013.pdf</a><br>
<br>
</div>(The last link is a 404.)<br>
<div class=""><br>
> The most relevant of these papers (Lacetera 2013) cites the major<br>
> motivations for volunteer labor are: "pure altruism, warm glow, self-image,<br>
> and reputation". Upon reading this I realized TorCoin's technical<br>
> interestingness had blinded me to much easier to leverage motivations of<br>
> "warm glow" and "reputation".<br>
><br>
> I propose the following system for harnessing "warm glow" and "reputation"<br>
> for Tor relay operators. I am willing to fund this in its entirety.<br>
><br>
> I propose establishing a subdomain on <a href="http://torproject.org" target="_blank">torproject.org</a> giving each Tor relay<br>
> operator (hereafter affectionately called "Torati") his/her own page using<br>
> the information her machines provide to the Tor Directory Consensus. The<br>
> fields to show on her "Torati profile page" would be things like:<br>
> ContactInfo, PGP fingerprint, list of server nicknames, date the Directory<br>
> Authorities first saw her contact info, etc. You can also imagine a<br>
> receiving special "special recognition stars" for operating an exit or<br>
> bridge node. Moreover, some bandwidth measurement like EigenSpeed or<br>
> TorCoin gain traction, the Torati page could recognize contributors with by<br>
> listing the sum total she has relayed to the Tor network.<br>
><br>
> Naturally a node can opt-out of Torati recognition by setting a parameter<br>
> in the torrc file.<br>
><br>
> I argue this would be a cheap and easy way to motivate operators to<br>
> volunteer more bandwidth for the Tor network. As mentioned before, I am<br>
> willing to fund this in its entirety.<br>
<br>
</div>Hi Virgil,<br>
<br>
adding more/better incentives for people to run relays and bridges<br>
sounds like a great plan!<br>
<br>
What you describe sounds related to what I suggested last December on<br>
this list:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2013-December/005948.html" target="_blank">https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2013-December/005948.html</a><br>
<br>
> 9. Provide relay comparison metrics in Onionoo. We could define some<br>
> simple metrics on the usefulness of a relay, like provided bandwidth or<br>
> uptime, in comparison to other relays. A possible statement from these<br>
> metrics could be: "your relay provides more bandwidth than 95% of relays<br>
> in the network." Similar to 8. If Atlas [6] or Globe [8] or a<br>
> yet-to-be-written Facebook application or a also-yet-to-be-written<br>
> Twitter integration into Tor Weather (#10372) tell the world how<br>
> successful someone's running Tor relays, maybe that encourages others to<br>
> run relays, too. We could even invent a points system for running<br>
> relays, with additional points for running exits, if that makes the Tor<br>
> network better. Probably needs input from a community coordinator<br>
> person. (Orange part in the diagram.)<br>
><br>
> [6] <a href="https://atlas.torproject.org/" target="_blank">https://atlas.torproject.org/</a><br>
> [8] <a href="https://globe.torproject.org/" target="_blank">https://globe.torproject.org/</a><br>
<br>
Want to take a look at Onionoo and see whether it already provides the<br>
information and functionality you need, and if not, open tickets for the<br>
missing pieces?<br>
<br>
<a href="https://onionoo.torproject.org/" target="_blank">https://onionoo.torproject.org/</a><br>
<br>
But let me also give you some quick feedback on your proposal:<br>
<br>
- Why not make it entirely opt-in? We could include a subscription<br>
link in Weather's welcome messages that relay operators receive when<br>
their relay first receives the Stable flag.<br>
<br>
- Where does the name "Torati" originate from?<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Karsten<br>
<br>
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